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Old 07-15-2009, 09:15 AM
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1. The belief that God predestined people for salvation before the beginning of time. God’s election is not conditioned by anything in man, good or evil, foreseen or present, but upon God’s sovereign choice.
So when God pricks the heart...we don't have a choice to make or God has made that choice for us already?

That is some pretty warped theology there Chief...indeed. I guess you'll have to do away with countless Scriptures about believing, faith, choosing...etc.

Choose you this day whom you will serve? Why would Joshua say this if God already chose for us?

LOL, Calvinism is so laughable...but I am sorry for all those who have been bewitched by this doctrine.

BTW, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-OES...e=channel_page

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Old 07-15-2009, 10:38 AM
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So when God pricks the heart...we don't have a choice to make or God has made that choice for us already?

That is some pretty warped theology there Chief...indeed. I guess you'll have to do away with countless Scriptures about believing, faith, choosing...etc.

Choose you this day whom you will serve? Why would Joshua say this if God already chose for us?

LOL, Calvinism is so laughable...but I am sorry for all those who have been bewitched by this doctrine.

BTW, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-OES...e=channel_page

Good thoughts, Cloudwalker. Brother George has thoroughly covered, with scripture, every single question that has been asked by those who follow the heretical teaching of unconditional election and irresistible grace. It's peculiar to me that now that we are born-again children of the living God...we have a choice, a free will, and the ability to resist His grace. "Choose you this day!" Good one.
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Old 07-15-2009, 10:47 AM
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we have a choice, a free will, and the ability to resist His grace. "Choose you this day!" Good one.
Outstanding Forrest!

We absolutely can resist His Grace and I will prove it from Scripture...

"Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye." ~ {Acts 7:51}

Blessings!

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Old 07-15-2009, 11:04 AM
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Outstanding Forrest!

We absolutely can resist His Grace and I will prove it from Scripture...

"Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye." ~ {Acts 7:51}

Blessings!

I've always seen my ability to resist grace in this verse:

Titus 2:11-12 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

To my shame, in the 30 years I've been a believer I have resisted the grace that brought salvation and has taught me I should deny ungodliness and worldly lusts, and how I should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world. Would that be resistible grace?
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Old 07-15-2009, 02:24 PM
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Hello All,

Would you please help me figure out which denominations believe in Calvinism? Reformed Baptists, etc.
I don't know all the lingo.

This study is awesome and blessed by the Lord. Thank You so much!


I grew up in a First Baptist Church and have not been a member of a local congregation in 16 years. We are searching but it seems to me I am finding all kinds of things that disagree with scripture in the local church.


Thanks in advance!

Brother-Smith
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Old 07-15-2009, 02:30 PM
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Hello All,

Would you please help me figure out which denominations believe in Calvinism? Reformed Baptists, etc.
I don't know all the lingo.

This study is awesome and blessed by the Lord. Thank You so much!


I grew up in a First Baptist Church and have not been a member of a local congregation in 16 years. We are searching but it seems to me I am finding all kinds of things that disagree with scripture in the local church.


Thanks in advance!

Brother-Smith
Brother Smith, I don't know them all, but one group is Reformed Presbyterian.
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Old 07-15-2009, 02:46 PM
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Thank you brother Forest. I am going to keep a list for my own sanity. I have been a Christian for almost 30 years and never have had this belief system pop up until the last 2 months. I guess I just was either backsliding, reading my bible and walking with the LORD or oblivious. The quest for a church home has really brought this issue into the forefront.
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Old 07-15-2009, 03:05 PM
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Hello All,

Would you please help me figure out which denominations believe in Calvinism? Reformed Baptists, etc.
I don't know all the lingo.

This study is awesome and blessed by the Lord. Thank You so much!


I grew up in a First Baptist Church and have not been a member of a local congregation in 16 years. We are searching but it seems to me I am finding all kinds of things that disagree with scripture in the local church.


Thanks in advance!

Brother-Smith

Aloha brother Smith,

Here is some information I was able to glean from the NET:

Calvinist Churches in the USA

Reformed Churches
Christian Reformed Church in North America - 198,000
Hungarian Reformed Church in America - 6,000
Netherlands Reformed Congregations in North America - 9,047
Protestant Reformed Churches in America - 6,730
Reformed Church in America - 293,147
Reformed Church in the United States - 4,257

Presbyterian Churches
Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church - 40,600
Cumberland Presbyterian Church - 86,049
Cumberland Presbyterian Church in America - 15,142
Evangelical Presbyterian Church - 63,447
Korea-American Presbyterian Church
Orthodox Presbyterian Church - 25,302
Presbyterian Church in America - 299,055
Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) - 3,561,184
Reformed Presbyterian Church of North America - 6,105

Christian Publishing Houses Founded by and Operated by Calvinists
Zondervan Publishing House
Kregel Publishing
Baker Book House

Bible Translation Done Under the Auspices of Calvinists
New International Translation

Other Churches Holding to a Modified Calvinist Position
Southern Baptist Convention - 15,851,756

Information supplied by: Dr. Richard P. Bucher


My wife and I joined an Independent Baptist church (Anatola Baptist Church) in 1966. The pastor was a young man fresh out of Baptist Bible College - he was a full-on 5-Point Calvinist. {We became very close friends - until I became a King James Bible believer (1968) and after that we gradually drifted away from each other.}

I had been saved for about 8 years at the time, and didn't have the slightest inkling what Calvinism was. I only know that that pastor's Library was chock full of Reformed Theologians Commentaries. And when he studied the Bible he might have a half a dozen commentaries strewn around his desk as he prepared his studies and sermons.

During the time that we were friends, that pastor persuaded me to buy some of Arthur W. Pink's books (I ended up with about 12-15 of them), fortunately they bored me (to begin with) and after I became a genuine Bible believer I became aware of Pink's habit of "spiritualizing" the Holy words of God, so I dumped all his books in the rubbish.

The point is - there are Independent Baptist churches that have also embraced Calvinist doctrine, and according to brother Tony Bones, Calvinism has also spread into some of the "Brethren" churches also.

John Calvin's doctrine has infiltrated many different "Christian" Denominations, so we have to be careful which church we fellowship with, because Calvin's doctrines are not just confined to the "Reformed" and "Presbyterian" churches.
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Even some Calvary Chapel churches have adopted certain points of Calvinism.
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Old 07-15-2009, 07:31 PM
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So when God pricks the heart...we don't have a choice to make or God has made that choice for us already?

That is some pretty warped theology there Chief...indeed. I guess you'll have to do away with countless Scriptures about believing, faith, choosing...etc.

...
Actually it's 100% scriptural if you would have actually read my quotes from the KJV

Romans 3:10-18 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes.

Jeremiah 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.

Titus 3:3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.

Joh*6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Joh*6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

Joh*6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Joh*15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Romans 9:10-13 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth, It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Job 42:1-6 Then Job answered the LORD, and said, I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee. Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not. Hear, I beseech thee, and I will speak: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me. I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee. Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.

Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
 


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