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Old 04-02-2008, 09:47 PM
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Old 04-10-2008, 11:23 AM
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It seems a "no-brainer" that upon comparison the introduction and conclusion are referencing the same thing. If the end refers to the whole Book, then the first three verse do as well. But they cannot, for Rev. 1:19 says,
Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
John is referring only to the things that he wrote in this particular book.
If you think it is only Revelations that God is talking about, what about the words taken out of Revelations as Diligent pointed out?

There is prophecy through out the entire Bible. All of the Bible is God breathed. Why would we ever want to defend changing words, taking out words of any portion of the Bible?
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Old 04-10-2008, 12:17 PM
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Depending upon the context, the term prophecy can refer to all of the Bible, not just a particular portion or book (such as Revelation).

2 Peter 1:19-21 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

God doesn't want man to add to, take away from, change, twist or wrest any part of Scripture.
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Old 04-10-2008, 12:31 PM
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If you think it is only Revelations that God is talking about, what about the words taken out of Revelations as Diligent pointed out?
Was he not showing words that Westcott and Hort removed in their text? Maybe I missed his point.

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Why would we ever want to defend changing words, taking out words of any portion of the Bible?
Where do you get the idea that we're defending changing the text of scripture, or making allowances for some to do it? Reread the start of this thread. The question was in reference to what John was talking about at the close of his book. I think I addressed clearly why I believe that John was referring only to the book that he was writing.

I was in no way suggesting that "you can pick and choose all throughout the Bible, but not in Revelation..."

I believe the commands to leave God's words untouched in Deut. and Prov. etc., and I would never condone ANYONE adding/subtracting/altering the words of God.
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Was he not showing words that Westcott and Hort removed in their text? Maybe I missed his point.
It looks to me like he was bolding the words W-H took out. I just looked in my NIV and they are in fact gone. Do you see this as a problem?


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Where do you get the idea that we're defending changing the text of scripture, or making allowances for some to do it? Reread the start of this thread. The question was in reference to what John was talking about at the close of his book. I think I addressed clearly why I believe that John was referring only to the book that he was writing.

I was in no way suggesting that "you can pick and choose all throughout the Bible, but not in Revelation..."

I believe the commands to leave God's words untouched in Deut. and Prov. etc., and I would never condone ANYONE adding/subtracting/altering the words of God.
I guess I'm not sure what y'all are trying to accomplish. It looks like you are defending the fact that there will not be consequences for messing with God's Word.

You said you're with Paladin, so this is where it looks as though those that take away from the Bible in other places should be ok.

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Is all the Bible prophecy? I think not, even though the whole Bible is the special revelation of Jesus Christ.

So if I take words out of...say Joshua, my name will be taken out of the book of life?
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You're right, but that brings us back to the original question, could Revelation 22:19 be talking only about the book of prophecy of Revelation?


And if yes, then does that mean that those who omit from the Bible, which is all prophecy, lost their place in the book of life?

Brother, this is huge.
 


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