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Re: "1 Corinthians 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and thoug"
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I'm with you on this one. I do not think that it is wrong to have your body cremated. I "prefer" not to, but that is my "preference". What do we do with: Quote:
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Is this not obviously referring to offering yourself as a sacrifice?! I can just see Paul..."Though I cremate my body it profiteth me nothing" |
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Re: "Hello......Looking For Help On Cremation"
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Aloha sister Amanda, Nothing is "obvious" at all! And I see nothing "humorous" about my comments. You CHANGED Paul's "words" (and then ADDED your own) to match your "private interpretation". {You also SUBTRACTED FROM God’s holy word – i.e. “and have not charity”} The Apostle Paul said: Quote: Quote:
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Paul was speaking to the Corinthian church (a predominantly Gentile church) and, if you check your Greek & Roman history - quite often the Gentiles would "cremate" their dead. {"Context" - it's always about "CONTEXT"!} Ephesians 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet smelling savour. 1 Corinthians 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 1 Corinthians 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. |
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1st Corinthians 13 is about charity. Everything in the entire chapter is.
1 Corinthians 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.This verse doesn't say anything about death -- that can only be inferred by the reader. Since Paul already talks about our bodies being living sacrifices it isn't a stretch to make that connection here. Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.We know that burning is a proper mode of sacrifice in the Old Testament. The words burn and sacrifice (including the various word forms of burn) appear together in 97 verses in the Bible. Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego "yielded their bodies" to be burned rather than forsake God. Daniel 3:28 Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king's word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God.It may be that Paul isn't talking about being a living sacrifice in the verse in question, but he doesn't say anything about giving his body to someone -- that is speculation. I can think of a few martyrs who gave their bodies to be burned. Anyway, I don't see how this verse in 1st Corinthians could be used to support or condemn cremation. Here is an example of at least partial cremation in the Bible, which I seemed to have missed before: 1 Samuel 31:12-13 All the valiant men arose, and went all night, and took the body of Saul and the bodies of his sons from the wall of Bethshan, and came to Jabesh, and burnt them there. And they took their bones, and buried them under a tree at Jabesh, and fasted seven days.They burned the bodies then buried the bones. Now everybody should be happy. |
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Sorry, but it made me laugh! Well, I find a lot of good posts here. Based on some of the posts that I've read here, I prefer to be buried, and I prefer that our church practice BURIAL: 1. It's the Bible practice. 2. Cremation seems to be of paganistic origin. 3. Martyrs were "cremated" at the stake. 4. Burial is economical here. 5. Burial is a matter of conviction. 6. There is no verse in Scripture against cremation; even Paul has no objection to giving his body to be "burned" (as a martyr? or by cremation?) 7. There are a lot of verses for burial. 8. Finally, Christ died for my sins, and that HE WAS BURIED, and that he rose again the third day. "Let every one be persuaded in his own mind." "The King James Bible is the final authority in all matters of faith and PRACTICE." |
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{John 6:43} Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
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You are quite correct. I will concede. This Scripture is not obviously talking about cremation or sacrifice. One of those passages that causes one to scratch his head. Quote:
Upon reflection rather than a sacrifice, a burnt offering as you said I said, a type of martyr is really what I had in mind. Quote:
I do not think the argument for cremation in the Bible is nearly as strong as the argument for burial is. Again let me say I am not saying there is a commandment or that it is "wrong" or a "sin" to cremate for I believe if it were that big of an issue the Bible would be clearer. BUT having said that, the Bible refers to burial over and over and over again. Even Baptism is a picture of death, burial and resurrection. All through church history cremation was frowned upon. It's not until recent times has that come into question. From time immemorial the heathen are the ones who cremate. Again, it's not forbidden but perhaps it boils down to the motive for cremation? |
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But even this instance boiled down to motive. To keep the Philistines from having their way with the bodies and desecrating them. |
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