[Samuel]

Ge:1:20: And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Ge:1:21: And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Ge:2:19: And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
Ge:2:20: And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.


See the and before every change of subject in the text. This is done in the above mentioned Parallelisms, and separates such sentences into multiple statements. There is no contradiction in Genesis 1 & 2, it simply states God made the animals, then he brought them before adam to name them. I was taught this in Sunday school 101.

It has nothing to do with what time God made them, it is simply reinforcing the statement that God created them.

There are no contradictions anywhere in the Bible, except for only those we want to see them. Better watch out, this is done a lot in Bible Prophecy also. As it was mentioned above, this is not English its Hebrew. A different set of rules apply here.

This is why Tindale developed this form of poetic English. He found the common form of English was unable to convey the Hebrew correctly. And it was Tindale, not Shakespeare that developed it.
If not for Tindale, Shakespeare would not have been smart enough to do it. All the more reason for the KJV, the MV's with their modern English can not correctly convey it either.

[geologist]

Originally Posted by Samuel

See the and before every change of subject in the text. This is done in the above mentioned Parallelisms, and separates such sentences into multiple statements.

if what you say is true, that the "AND" denotes a change of subject, then...

Genesis 1:1-2 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

...there must also be a change in subject between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2?

I think a few people here would disagree with that deduction, but I accept your answer. NO MISTAKES or contradictions in the KJV Bible. Thank you for the answer

[Forrest]

Originally Posted by Luke

REPOSTING this because I don't think anyone ever reads the last post on a page.

Brother Luke, that my brother, is hilarious!

Perhaps we should conduct a poll: "Who reads the last post on a page?"

[Debau]

Originally Posted by Debau

Sounds like you may be driving at Water(dwelling) birds in Gen 1 and Land birds Gen 2. Possibly "the open firmament of heaven" in Gen 1:20 is the air above the waters, the firmament being associated with water. They are water birds. Adam named the Land birds "of the air" in Gen 2:19.
No contradiction, just a summary creation account in Gen 1 explained in further detail in Gen 2.

Can you breed a duck with a pigeon?

Originally Posted by Luke

EDIT: Debau, how can it be a summary.. when birds are formed before man in Gen 1 and then birds are formed after man in Gen 2. It's a completely different account. Genesis 1 account is an overview of day 1 through 6. Genesis 2 is an account of what happened in day 6 in the garden in Eden.

I contend it is not a different creation account. Consider, did God create Eve at the same time as Adam, as in Genesis 1, or later, as in Genesis 2?
I believe Genesis 1 is a summary account, with Genesis 2 further explaining the details.
Gen 2:19a is just a recap and not an indication of any animals created after man.

[Luke]

Genesis 1 Order

Day 1 - Earth, Light
Day 2 - Firmament
Day 3 - Dry Land and Herbs
Day 4 - Stars Planets etc
Day 5 - Birds, Fish
Day 6 - Beasts of Earth, Man and Woman

Genesis 2 Order

The account begins with Day 6 in Gen 2:7

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Gen 2:5 places the time period AFTER day 3, Gen 2:4 places it after day 4 (the heavens, plural) and Gen 2:7 confirms it as day 6.

Gen 2:8 is God creating the garden in Eden. Herbs and greenery were already everywhere else, as seen in verse 5.

God then proceeds to create great rivers the spring forth from the centre of Eden and go out. This means one of two things. Either Eden had a supernatural spring that came forth from somewhere (perhaps a Rock), or it was a massive area with a mountain range in it.

Verse 19, God forms animals

Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

The order contradicts Genesis 1 - beasts first, birds second, and no fish (interestingly enough, no fish is named in the Bible except the whale, which God named himself in Genesis 1).

In Genesis 2:19 Adam is already created. This is a seperate account. This is not the same account as Gen 1, because Adam was created AFTER the birds and AFTER the beasts. Here, we have God creating them in front of, or very near Adam, and Adam names them.

So to sum up again - God creates everything in Genesis 1. Genesis 1 gives the correct order of creation. Genesis 2 gives more detail in regards to DAY 6, covering not only man's creation, but also how God created him (from dust, and breathed into him the breath of life), and how God created woman from man, and why. Genesis 2 is not an overview of Day 1 through 6, but only Day 6.

[geologist]

Originally Posted by Luke

The order contradicts Genesis 1 - beasts first, birds second, and no fish (interestingly enough, no fish is named in the Bible except the whale, which God named himself in Genesis 1).

(attention to a correction: Whales are not fish, they are mammals)

So to sum up again - God creates everything in Genesis 1. Genesis 1 gives the correct order of creation. Genesis 2 gives more detail in regards to DAY 6, covering not only man's creation, but also how God created him (from dust, and breathed into him the breath of life), and how God created woman from man, and why. Genesis 2 is not an overview of Day 1 through 6, but only Day 6.

I am in total agreement with your last statement.

[tonybones2112]

Originally Posted by geologist

Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

In the above verse the Bible says that the Lord God brought forth both the sea creatures and birds (fowl) from the waters.

This is reaffirmed in the following verse:
Genesis 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

But this verse presents an apparent contradiction:

Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

This verse says that the Lord God brought forth the fowl from the ground, not the waters.

Why is this not a contradiction?

Because the verses, as many in the Bible, compliment each other rather than contradict. Believing the Scriptures means we learn that God suspends the elements we are made of in water in order to have form and movement and function. Human beings are 88 percent water, without this water we are a pile of about 4 pounds of chemical dust. If we don't believe the Scriptures it's going to contradict because we want it to contradict. A phone book or newspaper can contradict if we don't believe it, in many newspaper's cases they often do Thus if we believe what He has written us then we learn He made living creatures from water and the chemical elements of the "dirt".

Another common "contradiction" is found here and is solved merely by reading the text and believing it:

Nu 25:9 And those that died in the plague were twenty and four thousand.
1Co 10:8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

How many died in this plague?

24,000 total, Paul gives us how many days it lasted. 23,000 died "...in one day...", the first day, when the people repented only 1,000 died the second, giving the total of 24,000.

There are no contradictions in the word of God, the contradictions are in us.

Grace and peace

Tony

Originally Posted by geologist

Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

In the above verse the Bible says that the Lord God brought forth both the sea creatures and birds (fowl) from the waters.

Great point geologist. . .except for one small detail: the word "and". It could be they're ("fowl that may fly above the earth") from "the waters", and then again, not necessarily so.

This is reaffirmed in the following verse:
Genesis 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Note again, the word "and"; maybe so, maybe not.

But this verse presents an apparent contradiction:

Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

This verse says that the Lord God brought forth the fowl from the ground, not the waters.

Why is this not a contradiction?

Because here is what Genesis 2:19 (your "This verse says") actually states, "And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.[/I][/B]"

No, actually what is states is that, "THE LORD GOD. . .brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.".

The part about them being, 1) "every beast of the field" that were "formed" from "out of the ground" by "THE LORD GOD", and 2) "THE LORD GOD" also included "every fowl of the air", that HE "brought" to "Adam", in no way tells us that, "the Lord God brought forth the fowl from the ground, not the waters"!

Any "contradiction" in Scripture is Interpretive. . .PERIOD. If something in any part of Scripture, seems to be a "contradiction", then according to just THE AWESOMENESS of GOD, WHO gave/give us ALL SCRIPTURE, the "contradiction" has to be with us, rather than HIM. GOD DOES NOT Contradict HIMSELF, let alone HIS WORD!!!

Between Genesis 1:21 and Genesis 2:19, we've move a great deal from talking about "earth", and "land", in Genesis 1-2:6, to being introduced to a couple new words, "field", and "ground", both in Genesis 2:5. And there's is a huge difference in those words.

[KingSolomon1611]

Originally Posted by geologist

Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

In the above verse the Bible says that the Lord God brought forth both the sea creatures and birds (fowl) from the waters.

This is reaffirmed in the following verse:
Genesis 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

But this verse presents an apparent contradiction:

Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

This verse says that the Lord God brought forth the fowl from the ground, not the waters.

Why is this not a contradiction?

The waters were in the ground. Ground water... Sounds a little too simple. It could be the explanation of Genesis 2:5-6

Genesis 2:5...:for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
Genesis 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

[chette777]

Originally Posted by geologist

Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

what about this "moving creatures that hath life" were there some moving creatures in the waters that had not life?

I like the way God uses water to bring forth abundantly. but the Earth which brought forth is not said to bring forth abundantly just brought forth.