[Just_A_Thought]

Originally Posted by Luke

Hijack it all you want.. I have noticed a few IFB's doing this.. calling OT saints "Christians". One of them even goes as far as saying the first Christian family was Adam and Eve.. (I think that was Jack Hyles too...)

I find fault with some of Bro Hyles teachings but he is probably more right on than most...

Why sit there and insult a man that served God with his life. He may not have been perfect but neither is anyone else on this forum including myself.

[peopleoftheway]

Where exactly did Brother Luke insult him? In fact he said no more about it than you, that he knew some of his teachings werent sound

[Just_A_Thought]

Originally Posted by peopleoftheway

Where exactly did Brother Luke insult him? In fact he said no more about it than you, that he knew some of his teachings werent sound

When he said " I know Jack Hyles isn't the most sound, but what is this? " It is his title. The title is rather rude.

[Luke]

Well, I've done the same with John MacArthur and Ruckman, so I can hardly be called a respecter of persons in regards to a mans ministry.

Hyles is dead. I am not trying to stomp on his grave. I was just wondering if this was error, or if Saul and Baalam were saved men. It seemed like Hyles had twisted the truth (or ignored the latter half of Saul and Balaam's life) in order to preach a good message. The message preaches well. It's convicting. It's heartfelt. It helped me to see a few things I hadn't before, but I was just comparing it to scripture.

If Eternal Security was true in the OT, then Balaam and Saul would both be saved right now. If it's not, then they aren't.

Which leads me to another question

1) Is Solomon saved? There is no record of solomon humbling himself before God (that I know of).
2) Is Ahab saved? In 1 Kings, he humbles himself before God shortly before he dies, and God stays off the wickedness upon Israel until after Ahab dies. God commends his humility to Elijah.

[Just_A_Thought]

Originally Posted by Luke

Well, I've done the same with John MacArthur and Ruckman, so I can hardly be called a respecter of persons in regards to a mans ministry.

Hyles is dead. I am not trying to stomp on his grave. I was just wondering if this was error, or if Saul and Baalam were saved men. It seemed like Hyles had twisted the truth (or ignored the latter half of Saul and Balaam's life) in order to preach a good message. The message preaches well. It's convicting. It's heartfelt. It helped me to see a few things I hadn't before, but I was just comparing it to scripture.

If Eternal Security was true in the OT, then Balaam and Saul would both be saved right now. If it's not, then they aren't.

Which leads me to another question

1) Is Solomon saved? There is no record of solomon humbling himself before God (that I know of).
2) Is Ahab saved? In 1 Kings, he humbles himself before God shortly before he dies, and God stays off the wickedness upon Israel until after Ahab dies. God commends his humility to Elijah.

I appologize. I felt that the cooment was met rudely. I think I read into in wrong. Again, I appologize it is my fault.

Originally Posted by Luke

Which leads me to another question

1) Is Solomon saved? There is no record of solomon humbling himself before God (that I know of).
2) Is Ahab saved? In 1 Kings, he humbles himself before God shortly before he dies, and God stays off the wickedness upon Israel until after Ahab dies. God commends his humility to Elijah.

Luke, this may seem out of place, but looking over your other recent thread I am asking out of concern...
did you ever figure out if YOU are saved?

[Luke]

It's a good question

1) What can I do to be saved other than believe on the Lord Jesus Christ? Nothing...

2) At the moment, I am struggling with the question "Is my belief real". I don't know how to answer that question.

3) I know the gospel and I believe it as best I can. If I am not saved, then I trust God will let me know for sure and save me. If I am saved, then I trust God will let me know, and give me peace.

4) The short answer is yes, I believe I am saved, but struggling due to emotional baggage, sin baggage and religious baggage.

[chette777]

you know Luke I think we all have to admit that only God's word gives us our assurance and in our flesh we will all wonder "is it real".

as we see God answer prayers it is the only physical proof he is real. However our enemy can answer prayers too.

So the word of God is what we in the end need to rely upon. not our feelings.

Jesus said it is finished. you trusted in him and he is faithful to finish the work he began in you. you are just as saved today as yesterday and just as saved today as tomorrow.

spiritual growth in your personal areas of sin is also proof you are saved. But non so solid as His word