I was delighted to see that the website we're talking about has lost its url, or whatever it's called, and is now at a different address. I'm sorry it's still in existence; but, in its previous form, it popped up right away when a person Googled "Peter S. Ruckman," and now it doesn't.

Praise God for that much!

By the way, there is an entry on Google for "Peter S. Ruckman's Facebook." It leads nowhere, of course; it's just a gimmick ad. But it struck me funny. Can you see Ruckman starting a Facebook site?

[Luke]

Ruckman's Facebook account was made by me. I made it clear on the profile page that it wasn't really ruckman though, just a name for people to add if they were blessed by his work and ministry.

Originally Posted by Luke

I was recently sent an email by a friend warning me of the dangers of Peter Ruckman. This one was new though. It wasn't about aliens or anything.

He said that my old pastor had discovered that Peter Ruckman denied that abortion was a sin, and that he actually advocated abortion. He gave no reference or anything, so I was very skeptical (I know Ruckman teaches that a baby becomes a living soul when it takes his first breathe, I disagree, but I don't think that promotes abortion...).

I found only one place online that even claims this (no references again) and it's that stupid petersruckman.com site, which is just page after page of accusations with no evidence of witnesses.

Is anyone familiar with this accusation?

Ruckman does not advocate abortion. He does teach the breath/soul thing, but that's a very technical matter.

If your friend says that your old pastor said that Ruckman says something, you're getting second or third hand information, at best; at worst, you're in danger of receiving an accusation against an elder (1 Tim. 5:19). But I can tell that you haven't really "received" it. You're smarter than a lot of people who hear this stuff.

The website you referenced also accuses Ruckman of being a draft-dodger and a pedophile. Nice people!

[Luke]

My friend didn't send me that website, but I have a suspicion that that site is where the information came from. It's a garbage site I have run across before and I disregarded all the information on it. There is no evidence, names, statements or anything. Just a bunch of slander.

I replied to my friend and told him that he was ill informed, and to ask two other men he knows about it (there are two men in Australia that he knows and I know of who will clarify to him that Ruckman does not believe in abortion).

[Debau]

Originally Posted by Vendetta Ride

Ruckman does not advocate abortion. He does teach the breath/soul thing, but that's a very technical matter.

Please, you know better than that.

Psalms 139:13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.

Originally Posted by Debau

Please, you know better than that.

Psalms 139:13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.

Perhaps you're misunderstanding me. I know the verses about prenatal life, and believe them. I simply said that the moment when the soul is formed is a technical matter, which it is.

"Soul" and "life" are two different concepts.

I despise abortion as much as anyone in this forum. I believe that abortion is manslaughter. Were you under the impression that I believed otherwise?

[Debau]

Originally Posted by Vendetta Ride

Perhaps you're misunderstanding me. I know the verses about prenatal life, and believe them. I simply said that the moment when the soul is formed is a technical matter, which it is.

"Soul" and "life" are two different concepts.

I despise abortion as much as anyone in this forum. I believe that abortion is manslaughter. Were you under the impression that I believed otherwise?

I beg your pardon. No I was not under the impression you were for abortion.
I perhaps did misunderstand, though I don't believe there is a "technical" answer from our view to when the material and immaterial part of man form life. I believe that is an eternal question outside of human comprehension. But I believe that anyone who "teaches that a baby becomes a living soul when it takes his first breath" is wrong. That would make abortion not murder.
Theologians have their "opinions" of spirit, soul, flesh, heart, conscience, and when such combinations constitute life, but I believe God leaves no doubt about a living soul in the womb.

[chette777]

About the $30,000 given to Ruckman. I have had to research 10,000 pages of IRS guidelines, documents and forms for over a six month period. this is what I have found out.

1) a cash gift given to any one person directly is non taxable

2) If the money was first sent throught a taxexempt org designated to an individual. then it can be called income from the taxexemt org go between. the tax exempt org needed to give him a 1099 this is called "donator designated giving" by the IRS and is taxable to the tax exempt org it is sent through. so if they don't want to pay tax on it they have to send out 1099's to the individual receiving the designated funds, i.e. a missionary, traveling evangelist, etc...

3) some states have an inheritance tax but if it is not written in a will (which is a legal taxation document) it cannot be called inheritance.

seeing the gift was made in cash and it was one person giving it for another (not organizations) it is a direct gift from the deceast and it is not taxable unless Ruckman wants to claim it as income then it is. seeing it was a gift no one receiving it needed to claim it as income for no services were renedered for it.

[atlas]

Luke,

My friend didn't send me that website, but I have a suspicion that that site is where the information came from. It's a garbage site I have run across before and I disregarded all the information on it. There is no evidence, names, statements or anything. Just a bunch of slander.

The only true information on the website in question that is true as far as I know for sure is Dr. Carl Lackey did leave Dr. Ruckman $30,000 in cash when he died, and the money was given to him in a brown paper bag. This is 100% true, I recall when this happened. The whole church was talking about this and other monies he left to others when he passed away. He left cash to everyone in the same fashion. Money in an envelope in a brown paper bag.

This was his money, not churches money as many outsiders may think. He was a millionaire he owned and ran his own furniture company for many years. he and brother built the company and sold it many years ago. he still had a lot of money when he died. They talk about Ruckman not paying taxes web site. I have no idea if he paid taxes on the money or not, but I do know Dr. Carl Lackey had men at the church give the money to Ruckman after he died.


The men on that site also do not know if Dr. Ruckman paid the taxes on this money, as Dr. Ruckman's tax returns are not public record law. The site claims to KNOW Dr. Ruckman did not pay taxes on this money, this is an out an out lie. So the web site saying he did not pay taxes on the money is not based on facts. The only way they could know is if prepared his tax return for the year in question.


Here is the half truth they tell.

Dr. Carl Lackey did leave Dr. Ruckman $30,000

Here is the half lie.

We know Dr. Ruckman did not pay taxes on the money

When you tell a half true lie it is far more dangerous that a full out lie.

Because many older members at White Plains Baptist Church would tell you the $30,000 gift is true. So when you read the site it leads you to think it it is all true.

This web site is ran by cowardly people that will not list their own names on the site. st of the information on the site is lies and half truths.


I also think the web site in question no longer working.

http://petersruckman.com/

Atlas

[George]

Aloha all,

What I am trying to figure out is WHY? WHY is there a discussion about this obvious SLANDER? What is going on?

I have met brother Ruckman; I spent a week with him in 1973 at Koolau Baptist Church on Oahu, Hawaii; He taught every morning and preached every night for a week; I played tennis with him several times at 11:-12:00 p.m. some nights; He spent many hours with my family and myself during his visit there; at one time I had nearly 2,000 hours of his teaching tapes on reel-to-reel tapes; I have heard dozens of hours of preaching tapes; and have read at least 80% of his books, pamphlets, etc.

Now let me testify: Dr. Peter Ruckman has at no time, in any thing that I have read or heard him say, ever "APPROVED" OF ABORTION! I repeat NEVER! What is going on here? Somebody ("somebodies") are besmirching, and smearing a man who is now 86 years old (an elder); a man who has served God for nearly 60 years; a man who God has used mightily in the preservation of His Holy word.

Why would anyone give "credence" to any "charges" brought by "unidentified accusers"? I can't believe that this discussion is taking place here! We do know who the "Accuser" of the brethren is don't we?

1 Timothy 5:19 Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.

1 Timothy 5:1 Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren;

I am not always in agreement with brother Peter Ruckman, but this much I do know - this "campaign" that has been waged against him in his waning years is the most vicious thing that I have ever witnessed in the 50 years I have been a Christian.

Are we to take "serious", people who don't have the guts to identify themselves? Why would we even consider the charges - considering where they come from? Hmmm?

Anyone who has read my Posts on this Forum knows that I despise "titles" and "respect of persons", but on the other hand - I also despise malicious gossip; destructive criticism; and slanderous accusations made against anyone. There are a group of people out there (sadly - some Christians) that are out to destroy this brother's testimony and ministry, and I for one will not sit idly by while this is going on.

I sincerely request that this whole rotten issue be dropped - unless someone can come up with something of substance that can be substantiated, and not wild accusations made by people who refuse to even identify themselves.

It's like I said when I began this Post: WHY are we even discussing these slanderous LIES? We are commanded by the Lord Jesus Christ to "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." [John 7:24] I cannot understand why anyone, who is a genuine Bible believer, would take seriously - anything that is said by people who are so cowardly that they refuse to identify themselves!