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Chette,
Thanks for all your good info and thoughts, as usual. The seven churches thing was an eye opener for me. Something's always bothered me about Jesus' words to the seven churches. They definitely didn't line up very well with saved by grace through faith alone. Jen |
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Thanks for sharing your perspective which I completely agree with. Quote:
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Thanks for the info about the WWCG connection. It makes perfect sense why this author(s) is looking to place the general epistles before the pauline epistles and make Hebrews all about the gentile church and Paul's gospel of grace by faith alone. So they can support their post- trib position and their salvation by works phony baloney. |
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Folk, if the titles of the books (and chapter & verse divisions) are inspired, they would have existed from the beginning, which they do not. Secondly, there could be no debate (if titles are inspired) as to the WRITER (not author) of Hebrews because (most) KJBs have Paul's name in the title.
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There are other books of the Bible in which the WRITER is not identified. Examples: 1 Samuel - 2 Chronicles.
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If the books of the Bible are inspired then they would of existed from the Beginning, which they do not. Each book was written under inspiration at a certain time, as each title, chapter and verse was inspired at a certain time. (but I wont be dogmatic with it). My opinion is if you begin to doubt the KJV in even the smallest area of Preserved inspiration you will begin to doubt other areas of the KJV. so then we agree not one book of the KJV Bible is without the identification of who the Author is. 65 books have the Author ID'd in the writing itself, while only Hebrews has it ID in the Title. but some of us see certain scriptures in Hebrews that point to Paul. Like I said the important point is why God chose not to personally ID Paul as the Author under inspiration? |
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"the beginning" NOT "the Beginning" was my wording. I was referring to the time of the original manuscript of each book and their Divinely preserved copies, NOT the beginning of time/creation. The titles, verse numbers, and chapter numbers showed up far later than the original writings. They are not inspired as the Scriptures are. |
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The Holy Ghost is the Author of all 66 books.
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no what I did was replace the word "Bible" with the word "Title". Twisting words is where I make your words say something other than what was meant. I kept your meaning just superimposed the words to show the logic of your statement when applied to the whole not just a part. the capitalization of beginning was a typo I hadn't realized I did that.
Each book in it's time was inspired, each Title in its time was inspired, each chapter number and line and punctuation was inspired and preserved the complete and whole word of God in its time until it's completion for our day. If Ruth is without indication of Author then again the importance is why. Technically the Holy Ghost authored nothing He inspired and moved. 2Pete 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost. 2Tim 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: Gods thoughts on certain subjects were written (authored) by men over a 1400 year period of time by as many as 40 men without ever losing it's fluidity and conjunction to the rest of the books. I don't remember having falsely accused you twisting my words. Last edited by chette777; 07-14-2009 at 07:33 PM. |
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