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Old 03-14-2009, 08:13 PM
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This clip may explain the problem better than I can.

A common literary feature of Hebrew poetry in the Old Testament is called parallelism, in which the words of two or more lines of text are directly related in some way. This feature can be found in any poetic passage, and sometimes even in narrative, although it is more common in the Psalms and Proverbs.

Recognizing parallelism as a poetic feature can sometimes aid in understanding or interpreting a passage. For example, the use of parallelism usually means that the message of the text is in the larger passage and its overall point or impact rather than individual words or single lines. Also, specific words that may be ambiguous or used in unusual ways can be clarified or more narrowly defined by seeing them in the context of a parallel structure.
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Old 03-14-2009, 08:52 PM
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The creation accounts in Gen 1 and 2 argue against your Gap Theory. According to your theory, the earth was destroyed and laid waste between Gen 1:1 and 1:2.
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This is off topic. My views on the Gap Theory have absolutely nothing to do with my specific question.
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Old 03-14-2009, 09:39 PM
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Well, I think your question has been answered.
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Old 03-14-2009, 09:46 PM
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Well, I think your question has been answered.
No, it has not. There has been plenty of opinions expressed, but no clear answer.
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No, it has not. There has been plenty of opinions expressed, but no clear answer.
They were two separate events

One was creation

One was where Adam saw God make the animals himself ( not all just one of each), and then Adam named them.

No contradiction
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They were two separate events

One was creation

One was where Adam saw God make the animals himself ( not all just one of each), and then Adam named them.

No contradiction
Your answer makes the most sense, so far.
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Old 03-14-2009, 11:10 PM
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Genesis 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

In the above verse the Bible says that the Lord God brought forth both the sea creatures and birds (fowl) from the waters.

This is reaffirmed in the following verse:
Genesis 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

But this verse presents an apparent contradiction:

Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

This verse says that the Lord God brought forth the fowl from the ground, not the waters.



Why is this not a contradiction?
Sounds like you may be driving at Water(dwelling) birds in Gen 1 and Land birds Gen 2. Possibly "the open firmament of heaven" in Gen 1:20 is the air above the waters, the firmament being associated with water. They are water birds. Adam named the Land birds "of the air" in Gen 2:19.
No contradiction, just a summary creation account in Gen 1 explained in further detail in Gen 2.

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Not sure if this was said, but if it was, I'll say it simpler

Genesis 1 describes day 1-6

Genesis 2 describes the events in the Garden of Eden, and God's creation regarding Eden. So in Genesis 2, the birds are everywhere else, and then God creates some locally in Eden. That's also the explanation for why the order is out of wack with Genesis 1. He uses the earth to do this, rather than the water. No big deal.

REPOSTING this because I don't think anyone ever reads the last post on a page. Forget Hebrew literary laws (this is english), forget popular interpretations. This is only understood by reading it as it stands. Genesis 1 is Days 1 - 6. Genesis 2 is Day 6 in the Garden of Eden. The verses even declare it to be so. Verse 8 defines the context, location and period of time that the rest of the verses fit into.

Reading the text is the clearest way to see it.


Gen 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Gen 2:9 And out of the ground
made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Gen 2:10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
Gen 2:11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
Gen 2:12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
Gen 2:13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
Gen 2:14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
Gen 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Gen 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.


As the poster above said - this is when God created creatures and brought them to Adam. Maybe Adam was not standing by any water at that time.

EDIT: Debau, how can it be a summary.. when birds are formed before man in Gen 1 and then birds are formed after man in Gen 2. It's a completely different account. Genesis 1 account is an overview of day 1 through 6. Genesis 2 is an account of what happened in day 6 in the garden in Eden.
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EDIT: Debau, how can it be a summary.. when birds are formed before man in Gen 1 and then birds are formed after man in Gen 2. It's a completely different account. Genesis 1 account is an overview of day 1 through 6. Genesis 2 is an account of what happened in day 6 in the garden in Eden.
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That was very helpful, but I still have some confusion.

I had personally been looking at Genesis 2 as an expansion of day 6 details. The reason being that after God forms all the different creatures out of the ground, and brings them to Adam to name, He then makes Eve. However, the Creation account of Genesis 1 says:

Ge*1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

So, Eve was created on the sixth day. This leads me to think that the events outlined in Genesis 2 are an expansion of day 6 events/details.
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Ge:1:20: And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Ge:1:21: And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Ge:2:19: And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
Ge:2:20: And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.


See the and before every change of subject in the text. This is done in the above mentioned Parallelisms, and separates such sentences into multiple statements. There is no contradiction in Genesis 1 & 2, it simply states God made the animals, then he brought them before adam to name them. I was taught this in Sunday school 101.

It has nothing to do with what time God made them, it is simply reinforcing the statement that God created them.

There are no contradictions anywhere in the Bible, except for only those we want to see them. Better watch out, this is done a lot in Bible Prophecy also. As it was mentioned above, this is not English its Hebrew. A different set of rules apply here.

This is why Tindale developed this form of poetic English. He found the common form of English was unable to convey the Hebrew correctly. And it was Tindale, not Shakespeare that developed it.
If not for Tindale, Shakespeare would not have been smart enough to do it. All the more reason for the KJV, the MV's with their modern English can not correctly convey it either.

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