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Old 02-01-2008, 09:43 PM
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Thought we should get this thread going.

This is a doctrine that most will say is Satan. Even the modern Bible versions have taken the liberty to clarify that Satan is the god of thls world.

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Old 02-01-2008, 10:23 PM
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I was reading these very chapters this morning. It doesn't say who the "god of this world" is. Looking back to chapter three, Moses put the vail over his face and the minds of the Israelites were blinded.

Is there a connection do you suppose? I would like to know who you think "the god of this world" is.

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Old 02-01-2008, 11:55 PM
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Ephesians 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
The KJV clearly has lower-case god, and so the phrase should be understood not to refer to God.

Also see Matthew 4:8-9 where Satan tempts the Lord. I don't think the offer can be considered disingenuous.
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Old 02-02-2008, 12:14 AM
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Who smote Job?

Most would say Satan, but that isn't so.
In this verse,

Job 2:3 and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

thou - - - Satan

movedst me - - - God

against him - - - Job

What can Satan do that God dos not permit? NOTHING Job 2:6...but save his life. < - - - Satan does as commanded

Thus GOD is the ONLY SOVEREIGN in all HIS universe

Deuteronomy 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
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Thus GOD is the ONLY SOVEREIGN in all HIS universe


Our understanding of God's sovereignty must be informed by the entirety of Scripture. Some insist that everything that happens is God's will, and yet the Lord said these words:
Jeremiah 19:5 They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind:
It's clear to me that the acts spoken of here aren't God's will. How could God claim that he didn't command it and that it didn't even come into his mind, if it was his will?

So, while God is sovereign, his will includes his creation having free will, unless we are to throw out verses such as the above, or take as empty the implication that Satan actually could offer Kingdoms to Jesus Christ.
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Old 02-02-2008, 12:44 AM
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Satan's offer was empty to Christ who OWNS all things, his offer is NOT empty to men.

The acts referred to in Jeremiah weren't His will, He had NOT commanded them, but He was NOT unaware of them, if something occurs it is because
He allows it to occur

He didn't 'command' Adam to disobey, but He wasn't unware that it would happen, and He did allow it to happen. In HIS sovereignty.
 

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