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yes Pam it sounds as if you are trying to be a grace filled person in those posts. I am trying to be sincere and open as I too make mistakes and try to learn from them. Sometimes if the same mistakes happen again and again with certain people I make sure I don't answer until I am confident it is not my fault. If I am sure I try to avoid them.
George, Irene and Greenbear are all very lovely people. try again and take everything with that grain of salt. we are the salt of the earth. I am a person who come from a know it all life style and I have had to learn to drop it. It is hard coming to the lord late in life I carried lots of baggage and garbage into my Christian life and I am learning to unload it and throw it off which ever it takes. I suggest you go to George's web page and read through his studies on the heart and also his studies on humanism. that will give you a good idea where he is coming from. After I visited you web page I knew that Custer was not so bad and is quiet down to earth. so are they by the way. The humble one wears the crown. and I have done it and eaten crow at the same time. God bless sister. |
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Re: "Biblical Marriage - "Joined Together" or "Yoked Together"?"
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Aloha brother Chette, I don't know what you are trying to accomplish by trying to "reason" with custer, but I do know that it is "FUTILE"! This woman has been trying to "BAIT ME" for a month now, and I REFUSE to take the "BAIT"! Do you realize that (at this point in time) she has posted a total of 52 Posts and Threads and of those 52 - 27 OF THEM HAVE BEEN ABOUT ME! That's better than 50% of her Posts! Don't you think that there is something terribly "wrong" with this woman? She is obsessed with me! as I said in 06/16/09 > "Biblical Marriage - "Joined Together" or "Yoked Together"?" > Post #24: " The woman is "OBSESSED" with yours truly, simply because I have spoken the truth." Now, for the record - here are some of the things she has said and some of the things I have said in response to her distortion of my words: 06/09/09 > LOVE & RACE > Post #71 George said: Quote:
06/10/09 > LOVE & RACE > Post #75 George said: Quote:
06/11/09 > LOVE & RACE > Post #92 George said: Quote:
custer said: 06/10/09 > LOVE & RACE > Post #74 Quote:
custer said in her Post #23 > Re: "Biblical Marriage - "Joined Together" or "Yoked Together"?: Quote:
Judges 14:18 And the men of the city said unto him on the seventh day before the sun went down, What is sweeter than honey? and what is stronger than a lion? And he said unto them, If ye had not plowed with my heifer, ye had not found out my riddle. Is the word “YOKED” IN THE VERSE? If it isn’t – WHY is custer ADDING to the words of God, unless it is for the purpose of “proving” her ridiculous unscriptural “point”? 06/16/09 > "Biblical Marriage - "Joined Together" or "Yoked Together"?" > Post #24 George said: Quote:
This woman (who is a total stranger to me) has posted 50% of her Posts in regards to me (all of them NEGATIVE!) I REFUSE to have anything to do with her. She is out of BALANCE and out of CONTROL! She has been nothing but a DISRUPTION to this Forum, ever since she has Joined! I am going to obey the Scriptural admonition concerning these kinds of "Christians": I am going to "MARK" them and then "AVOID" them: Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. |
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I pray it will not prove to be futile and if it is she will be held accountable at the J.S. of Christ for the things she does in this body.
I have grown not only by your words in posts but this forum has helped me to analyze my attitude reaction and actions, in that case it helps me from really expressing what I would say in the heat of a moment of an offense which may or may not be existing in the posters words. that growth in reactions is something I have needed. With Parish however his posts are offensive when he is upset with anyone. I cannot change what Parish says. However I can change how I react or not to react which ever is appropriate. I want to help others here to do the same. However if they are unwilling to look at themselves if is futile for sure. If Pam is carrying humanistic, femmistic and worldly ideas, precepts and garbage as what was pointed out. then maybe she just needs to take a moment and see herself from a different angle. I see she is offended and I was just trying to get her to take a moment and get her eyes off of you and on to her as to why be so extreme in her responses. If she will I am sure if the Lord is working in her life she will change for the better. I went to her web page. she seems to be a caring loving wife and mother. the family looks quite down to earth and simple. simple lives don't always go together with a strong personality or a mind full of knowledge. I learned that when I came here to do the Lords will. I found that I had to subpress certain attitudes and feelings in order to cope with the new culture. It is often so easy to try and force my culture on them. but better if I come from along side instead of from above. by the way. I was grateful for this post as it helped me to realize marriage is not a Yolking together of Biblical terms, but a clear joining of two into one. Last edited by chette777; 07-08-2009 at 07:45 PM. |
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WOW. I haven't even posted one reply on this thread and you're over hear taking shots at me anyway. What color of hypocrisy are you wearing today... |
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Chette, you have been of immeasurable help to me in the way of checking my attitude and reactions...I hope that will be noticable in this post! I sure do feel it, and I want to THANK YOU!
Now, back on topic... WOW, I do apologize folks; I thought we were all done with Samson! But I really shouldn't leave off with anyone having the impression that I am "ADDING to the words of God," so I'll try to clarify. Here is Samson's phrase from Judges 14:18 - "If ye had not plowed with my heifer, ye had not found out my riddle." The whole point is that any time in the Bible when plowing and animals (oxen or asses) are mentioned together, there are always at least TWO animals doing the plowing; I cannot find a reference to plowing (or any form of the word) where there is only one animal doing the plowing. There are five such references in the Bible: Deut. 22:10 I Sam. 14:14 Amos 6:12 I Kings 19:19 Job 1:14 These, of course, are in addition to Judges 14:18 where "plowed" and "heifer" are in the same passage. By simply running references (which is what the original post of this thread was all about) I was able to learn that in every other place in the Bible (listed above,) oxen that are being plowed with ARE YOKED (when there are two, they must be yoked to work together)...So, if Samson's heifer was NOT yoked, she would have to be THE ONLY WORKING OX IN THE BIBLE that wasn't yoked. So, I reached the conclusion that Samson's heifer was yoked by logical deduction...I have never tried to say that the passage SAYS she was yoked, and I fully admit that MAYBE SHE WASN'T YOKED. I just proved that the Biblical pattern for working oxen is that they ARE ALWAYS YOKED! Be that as it may, the Judges verse was JUST A SIDE NOTE, an afterthought (not going "to ridiculously extreme lengths to pervert the clear Biblical teaching on the word 'yoked'.") In my post #22, I have SEVENTEEN 'proof texts' (plus practical info) that show that the original post of this thread is SERIOUSLY FLAWED! Now, in that same post, I did say something to the effect that I did not expect a response, but it is downright deceitful for someone to act as if the Judges verse was the only Biblical reply that I could come up with; in other words, if one is going to try to refute ONE of my verses, how about a refutation of the OTHER SEVENTEEN? Again, POST #22 contains factual practical information about oxen AND seventeen verses of scripture that DIRECTLY CONTRADICT the findings of the original 'word study' of this thread, and I would HONESTLY, SINCERELY like to see how ANYONE can reconcile the facts and scripture with those opening assertions. Pam www.custerfamilyfarm.com |
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Sorry, I almost forgot...for anyone who wishes to discuss this, I would also appreciate any thoughts on my posts #43 and 44. Thanks!
Pam www.custerfamilyfarm.com |
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Just after the editing deadline passed on this post I realized I had missed the most important part of the analogy: Quote:
It's just so obvious that plowing has been a metaphor for sex in every "primitive" agrarian society in history. It even is in ours. I don't have a filthy mind as Pam suggests. I only want to correctly interpret the scriptures the best I can. Those are the reasons I interpret Judges 14:18 the way I do. |
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Oh Parish you are being to sensitive. I am not taking shots of any kind at you. the context is explanation as to how I have been forced by your (sensitiveness obviously) posts to reevaluate my own heart. But not that you are a help in that seeing it is God is works these things and gets all the glory.
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Greenbear,
Please there is no reason to get unregistered. your post have been encouraging and enlightening as we get a female view on some issues that differ from others. especially on this topic. please reconsider staying around. |
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Please don't unregister here! I've appreciated your posts and reading all of the conversations going on here. Sometimes I haven't agreed with the way things have been handled, but I still see it as EDIFYING, one way or the other. I'm not saying that I haven't agreed with YOU, personally, since I do understand where you are coming from. The Scripture clearly indicates that it is a RIDDLE - and you gave a good analogy that supports your point. I can't say it is wrong! When disagreements go on here, I tend to sit back and read - I'm not brave like you and others, sis. I admire the fact that you stand by your beliefs and that you supply very good support for them. Additionally, I admire your openness to correction and to TRUTH. I know that your goal is NOT to be RIGHT... but to learn the TRUTH from God's Word. Please remain! If the conflicts here are too bothersome for you, then just sit back and read, as I have done, and don't get involved. But you are not me - and I don't encourage you to do that, if it doesn't fit your personality and style. The Bible clearly shows many different personalities and "styles"! Not everyone is the same. Look at how the 4 Gospels differ and we can see evidence of that. Anyway, I want to encourage you to remain a vital member of this forum, sis! I, for one, appreciate you here! Your sister, Jassy |
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