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are we talking worm souls or full size human souls? Forgive me Kiwi, you know I had to ask this... Last edited by Bro. Parrish; 03-11-2009 at 06:54 AM. |
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sort of depends on the size of the worm...
http://www.seasky.org/deep-sea/giant-tube-worm.html http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm..._worms02m.html http://animals.jrank.org/pages/1689/...-ACCOUNTS.html |
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I've been thinking about the phrase Christ used three times in Mark chapter 9 "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched", and if this worm is another creature and not the soul itself, then the text is not teaching eternal damnation of the soul, but only teaching that the worm creature never dies? See what I mean, jellybean? |
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And like yourself, I am not sure about all this either brother. Oliver B. Greene believed as you do, but he avoided any details. Quote:
Okay let's see... The word "damnation" does not appear anywhere in this chapter, however: I see the UNQUENCHING FIRE no less than six times in that passage. I see the word HELL no less than three times in there. So, whether this worm is the human soul or a devouring maggot that never dies, it would have no bearing on the fact that there is severe and everlasting BURNING punishment implied. I still think these are the supernatural worms of hell which cover Lucifer (Satan) in Isaiah 14:9-15. Furthermore, I think the the rich man in hell appeared to Abraham as a MAN in flames. Abraham seemed to recognize this fellow as a human, for he detailed his life on earth and referred to him as a "son" not a degenerated worm without hands or feet, etc. Food for thought, just food for thought. |
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Brings up an interesting point, those in hell will be resurrected before they are tossed into the lake of fire, so maybe they retain their human form until the resurrection and then begin their degeneration once in the lake! |
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Let's review... These creatures are made for a special purpose, they NEVER die, just like "the fire that NEVER shall be quenched." (Mark 9:43-48). These nasty worms are associated in scripture with hell and satan. (Isaiah 14:9-15). God apparently used some unusual worms to devour Herod Agrippa in a matter of seconds (Acts 12:23), and we know God has used fiery serpents to torment and kill people (Numbers 21:6-9) so I have no problem seeing these as His instruments of eternal torment... just like the torment of those horrible flames. To me the picture is clear; this means the child murderer who killed little six year old Adam Walsh and tossed his severed head in a Florida canal will not only BURN forever, he or she will be GNAWED UPON by worms, like rotten fruit for all eternity. |
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But you know what? I'm gonna take everything you have said to me on the topic and study it. It's a little side study, but interesting as Sheol Grace and peace to you Tony |
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The lake of fire will not be burning until after the existing elements burn up and the great white throne judgment takes place, so technically it doesn't even exist yet! |
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http://spiritlessons.com/DOCUMENTS/B...nHell_Text.htm "Bill Wiese saw the searing flames of hell, felt total isolation, and experienced the putrid and rotting stench, deafening screams of agony, terrorizing demons, and finally, the strong hand of God lifting him out of the pit. "Tell them I am coming very, very soon!" " To me this nullifies faith, I don't believe God allows people to see & experience supernatural things that would cause them to believe in Him. Sure, in Old Testament times God worked that way, through dreams and visions, but not in this Church Age. |
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Or is it? The fire and the worms, yes, the real hell is being out of God's presence for all eternity, never knowing the ultimate Good, never resting, never a nanosecond's relief. Isaac Asimov once write a story called HELLFIRE where a highspeed film was taken of a nuclear explosion, when the film was played at normal speed the face of Satan was seen, course the worldly image of Satan: Van Dyke beard and the horns on the forehead. The idea hell is a star, pardon the pohrase, inspires me to develop a story for my scifi collection. Think I'll call it A STAR NAMED GEHENNA. Grace and peace brother Parrish Tony Last edited by tonybones2112; 03-12-2009 at 01:49 AM. Reason: misspelling |
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