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Old 06-07-2009, 04:14 PM
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Default Lordship Salvation Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCachxMOBDo

This video is hilarious...

The portrayal of the Paul Washer fanboy is spot on.

Does anyone know what program the guy made the video in?
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Old 06-07-2009, 08:01 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCachxMOBDo

This video is hilarious...

The portrayal of the Paul Washer fanboy is spot on.

Does anyone know what program the guy made the video in?
Although I can't hear the video (I'm deaf), I do know about Paul Washer's false teachings. I know some Christians who really like his preaching, but I don't think they fully understand the false portions of his message. Here's a good webpage that I found that explains why his teachings are in error:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/paul_washer.htm

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Old 06-07-2009, 09:29 PM
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Although I can't hear the video (I'm deaf), I do know about Paul Washer's false teachings. I know some Christians who really like his preaching, but I don't think they fully understand the false portions of his message. Here's a good webpage that I found that explains why his teachings are in error:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/paul_washer.htm

Jassy
Good site, Jassy. I love this quote from Dr. John R. Rice (whom I've never heard of before):

“The change in your heart, sinner, is God's part and you may be sure He will attend to that. Your part is to simply believe in Him. Whatever else is necessary in your eternal salvation, the Lord attends to when you trust in Him, or believe in Him.”

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Old 06-07-2009, 10:03 PM
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Good site, Jassy. I love this quote from Dr. John R. Rice (whom I've never heard of before):

“The change in your heart, sinner, is God's part and you may be sure He will attend to that. Your part is to simply believe in Him. Whatever else is necessary in your eternal salvation, the Lord attends to when you trust in Him, or believe in Him.”

Jennifer
I liked that quote too, sis. Here's a webpage that has a number of audio sermons by Dr. John R. Rice. I don't know who he is either. You could check them out. http://www.gotothebible.com/HTML/RiceJohn.html

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Old 06-07-2009, 11:58 PM
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I liked that quote too, sis. Here's a webpage that has a number of audio sermons by Dr. John R. Rice. I don't know who he is either. You could check them out. http://www.gotothebible.com/HTML/RiceJohn.html

Jassy
Thanks, sis! I'll check it out.

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Old 06-08-2009, 02:46 AM
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Thanks, sis! I'll check it out.

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John R. Rice has many good words on many good topics, but he was an Original Manuscript Fraud who wrote a book called OUR GOD-BREATHED BOOK, THE BIBLE, and then stated that this "bible" is only inspired in the original manuscripts in this book. Dr. Ruckman and many other KJV defenders were scathing in their criticism of Rice. Many years ago Dr. Herbert Evans wrote Rice a letter that later became a pamphlet that outlined Rice's views from his own words on the KJV and the inspiration of the Scriptures, it was called, Dear Dr. John, Where Is My Bible? Rice was also, as Dr. Ruckman is today, staunchly opposed to Grace believing dispensationalists and joined the "dry cleaning church splitters" bandwagon only after others took it up. Dr. Rice believed the doctrinal error that OT personalities "looked forward to the cross while we today look backwards." Many of his commentaries spoke of "...fine OT Christians like Abraham...". There were no "Christians" in the OT. Christ's own apostles were not aware that He came to earth to die for the sins of the world. As far as any dispensational studies Rice recognized a difference between the OT and the NT and that was it, in any Scripture with Scripture study he was as I said of Herbert W. Armstrong, he couldn't put two verses of Scripture together with two bulldozers and 16 tons of Super Glue.

Dr. Rice would not take a stand against the critics of the KJV because he didn't want to lose subscriptions to Sword Of The Lord magazine and jeopardize his self-appointed position as "leader" of the IFB movement against the Southern Baptist Convention.

Dr. John R. Rice was a good man and accomplished much good and would have accomplished 100 times the good if he'd stayed out of Baptist politics and preached that the Bible in his hands was given by inspiration of God. Any Bible. In some of his writings you will find he uses the ASV of 1901. Sisters, when you read Dr. Rice, my advice is you have a Bible in front of you when you do, and one rightly divided. While Ray Comfort and Paul Washer no doubt will have books written about their errors I'm sure you could glean the works of Dr. Peter Ruckman and assemble a good sized book on Dr. Rice's errors on right division and there being no Bible you can hold in your hands that is given by inspiration of God. Dr. Rice taught and preached from a Bible he didn't believe was inspired and had errors in it.

Grace and peace sisters.

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Old 07-04-2009, 08:43 PM
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Hi brother. I am very definitely against "Lordship salvation". I do not see it in Scripture and those that think they do are not understanding why the Lord said such things as "Whosoever he be that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple" or the one about "No man having put his hand to the plow and turning back is worthy.." etc. There is plan A - the law and extreme discipleship. When the apostles all fell on their faces, denied the Lord and all forsook Him and fled. Then Christ died and revealed Plan B, (which really is the only plan that works). It is all by grace. Christ fulfilled the law in our behalf. They just do not yet see the truth of the grace of God.

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Old 07-13-2009, 12:58 AM
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I live less than an hour from old Paul Washer. He goes to church with one of my good friends. If you go back and listen to his "shocking message to youth" count how many times you hear him say: I, me, I am, mine, I, I ....He sounds like the fool in Luke who says to his soul, relax and take thine ease for thou hast many goods...so on and so forth. Then remember the verse where it says that we preach not ourselves. Then there you go. Washer's heresy is brought to light. I plan on meeting him one day and I'd like to try to help him out. Lord willing.
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Old 07-15-2009, 08:34 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCachxMOBDo

This video is hilarious...

The portrayal of the Paul Washer fanboy is spot on.

Does anyone know what program the guy made the video in?
This one is pretty funny as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Tec...response_watch
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Old 07-15-2009, 07:38 PM
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Lordship salvation, defined by one who labels it heresy, is "the view that for salvation a person must trust Jesus Christ as his Savior from sin and must also commit himself to Christ as Lord of his life, submitting to His sovereign authority." This seems to be what I gather from your posts.

To me it is astonishing that anyone would characterize that truth as unbiblical or heretical. The implication is that acknowledging Christ's lordship is a human work. That mistaken notation is backed by volumes of literature that speaks of people "making Jesus Christ Lord of their lives."

We do not "make" Christ Lord: He is Lord! Those who will not receive Him as Lord are guilty of rejecting Him. "Faith" that rejects His sovereign authority is really unbelief. Conversely, acknowledging His lordship is no more a human work than repentance.

llTim 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

or faith itself
Eph 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

In fact surrender to Christ is an important aspect of divinely produced saving faith, not something added to faith.

We really should be looking at it from the bible and not what is quoted by Tara Tourangeau, and other men whoever they are.
 

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