I agree, Beth, it is obvious salvation is the gift spoken of in that verse - and there are other NT passages that also refer to salvation as a gift.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

John 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

Correction beloved57, I'm not in agreement with you. I love the Word of God and believe every word of it.

(love God's Word)...as do the majority of others here. We are discussing differences of how we understand it. It's one thing to disagree. Iron sharpens iron. But saying we don't know Jesus, or, we don't understand the Bible is just contentious and sews discord...

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
...19...and he that soweth discord among brethren.


When you make statements like you have, along with the LOL thing, it's no longer a discussion. We have all been guilty, but I believe you have a consistent attitude that is proud and arrogant. That's too bad.

[pbiwolski]

Originally Posted by jerry

What is it with all the sarcasm and mocking? That is not Christlike...

This would make a good start to a potentially interesting thread.

No you dont, you reject the word of God sir in exchange for your human philsophy..You dont even appear to understand the plain gospel of jesus christ either, which is christ has saved [past tense] his people from their sins by the cross..

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Yeah but you dont understand the gift. The gift is given to the elect, just as death was given..It was not a matter of Individual choice or freewill..

Originally Posted by beloved57

Yeah but you dont understand the gift. The gift is given to the elect, just as death was given..It was not a matter of Individual choice or freewill..

The gift of salvation is given to those that believe or trust in Jesus Christ.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The gift of salvation is given to those that believe or trust in Jesus Christ.

No you are making the gift a matter of reward, thats not giving a gift, but making an offer, thats not what the scripture says now is it ?

rom 6:

23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Those who believe or trust in Jesus christ give evidence they have been given eternal life as a gift..

Jn 17:

2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

Now are you denying that Jesus has done this?

Originally Posted by beloved57

No you are making the gift a matter of reward, thats not giving a gift, but making an offer, thats not what the scripture says now is it ?

When you are given a gift, you must receive the gift to have the gift.

When you are given a gift, you must receive the gift to have the gift.

Nope, its not a gift then its a offer, the bible does not say that the wages of sin are death, but the offer of the gift is eternal life..

Jesus did not say in jn 17:

2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

Here is beth version

2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should offer eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.