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The word.
Thank You Forrest for your post!
God calls us to him by his word. I have seen that pin prick many times while sharing the gospel of salvation by belief in Jesus Christ. Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. Spread the word cause time is short. Oh yeah, I also think that is why this issue is such a big deal in the body of Christ today. Satan is keeping the believers busy arguing with one another, rather than sharing the Gospel of Grace. I am praying to escape it, but I am surrounded on all sides with calvinist/Augustine ideology. My 2 cents. |
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Re: " CALVINISM: Sound Doctrine?"
Aloha brother Gord,
Your Post #161 this Thread makes very little "sense". Most of the verses that you cited have little or nothing to do with what you are trying to prove. And those verses (that you cited) that may be related (in some small way) to the issue do not "prove" your personal convictions. I have put together a short essay on some of the apparent "weaknesses" to be found in Calvinism (when compared to the Holy Scriptures); it is my sincere hope that you will prayerfully examine the Scriptures I have presented herein and compare them to the teachings of Calvinism. The main “Weakness” of Calvinism = A Failure to rightly divide "the word of truth": Calvinism Fails to DISCERN "who" is being spoken of in numerous Scriptures: The following is a list of specific words (found in the Scriptures) that Calvinists use to “prove” their doctrines. The Bible words: “elect”, “election”, “elected”, “foreknew”, “foreknowledge”,“foreordained”,“ordain”,and“ordained”are cited with the corresponding verses and where they are found in the Bible. I have tried to “rightly divide” WHERE and to WHOM the words should be applied. If anyone is interested in searching out these Scriptures, the color code easily identifies to WHOM I believe the verses should be applied. I would encourage you to “search the Scriptures” to see whether those things that I have presented here are true or not: Quote:
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1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied The Scriptures clearly state that the “Elect” are according to the “foreknowledge” of God the Father – But the BASIS of “foreknowledge” is not clearly defined in the above verse. Acts 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain: In the above verse - “Foreknowledge” is clearly defined as God “knowing”, ahead of time, about events that were going to take place in the future. Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. In the above verse those: “whom he did “foreknow” are “predestined to be conformed to the image of his son”. Are all Christians “conformed” to the “image” of Christ today? Has there ever been a time in church history when they were? This verse is not talking about “getting Saved”; it’s talking about how “whom he did “foreknow” (all those who have been saved - born again) will someday be just like Jesus Christ. [1Corinthians 15:49] The BASIS of God’s “foreknowledge” is NOT explained (or defined) in the verse – only the fact that all those “whom he did foreknow are predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.” To be “conformed to the image of His Son” is the ultimate destiny of every single person (man, woman, or child) that has ever BELIEVED in the Lord Jesus Christ! Let’s examine the verses cited [Ephesians 1:4-8] in context and “rightly divide” God’s words: Quote:
Calvinism Fails to understand “The WORK of God” since Christ has come: Quote:
Calvinism Fails to accept the clear Scriptural ORDER of God’s SALVATION: Quote:
Calvinism Fails to discern the DISTINCTION between WORKS and BELIEF: Quote:
Calvinism ADDS to the Holy words of God; Calvinism SUBTRACTS from the Holy words of God; Calvinism TWISTS & WRESTS the Holy words of God and takes them out of context in order to “prove” Calvinistic doctrine; and Calvinism PERVERTS the Holy words of God and makes them say (“MEAN”) something other than what they “SAY”! Please check my Thread (and the accompanying Posts): “CALVINISM: Sound Doctrine?” for further “proof” of what I have said. Question: WHO is “ordained”? Answer: THOSE {the elect} whom God “foreknew”. Question: WHO did God “foreknow”? Answer: THOSE whom God did “predestinate”. Question: WHO did God “predestinate”? Answer: THOSE whom He “called”. Question: WHO did God “call”? Answer: THOSE whom He “justified”. Question: WHO did God “JUSTIFY”? Answer: THOSE who received “faith”. Question: WHO received “faith”? Answer: THOSE who “BELIEVED” ON THE Lord Jesus Christ! {Now – Lets’ REVERSE THE ORDER!} Question: WHO has received “faith”? Answer: THOSE who have “BELIEVED” ON THE Lord Jesus Christ. Question: WHO did God “JUSTIFY”? Answer: THOSE who received “faith”. Question: WHO did God “call”? Answer: THOSE whom He “justified”. Question: WHO did God “predestinate”? Answer: THOSE whom He “called”. Question: WHO did God “foreknow”? Answer: THOSE whom God did “predestinate”. Question: WHO is “ordained”? Answer: THOSE {the elect} whom God “foreknew”. Or to put it another way: THOSE who have “BELIEVED” ON THE Lord Jesus Christ – have received “faith” (Christ’s faith); and THOSE who have received “faith” – He has “justified”; and THOSE whom He has “justified” – He has “called”; and THOSE whom God has “called” - He did “predestinate”; and THOSE whom He did “predestinate” – He “foreknew”; and THOSE whom He “foreknew” – He did “ordain” to eternal life! [Acts 13:48] BELIEF (BELIEVING) is the “KEY” to RECEIVING God’s GRACE - It always has been (in every age and under every “Covenant”) the one essential or fundamental condition that God has required, since it is impossible for us to please Him in the flesh (i.e. by our works alone)! Quote:
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In a recent post Brother George referred to a young Pastor in the late sixties that he knew who had several commentaries laid out when preparing a sermon instead of simply studying the word of truth. I immediately thought of this young preacher boy who does the exact same thing. He has books and commentaries of known "Calvinists" opened up when preparing a sermon. I counseled him to put the books down and to simply pour his life into the word of God and hear from God. |
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There is a powerful message to be delivered when a man of God submits to the word of God and lets the Spirit speak and not the "commentator". By the way it is great to see you posting more lately, I will send you an email soon, I have been lacking there Brother recently and I pray the Lord is working wonders through your life. God Bless |
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By the way, it's good to see you back more frequently too! Love you, brother. |
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Brother! Love you too.
there is NO GREATER teacher than He that suffered on the Cross on Calvarys Hill. John 14:16-18 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. What a promise that is Brother, the Lord Jesus Christ said "I will not leave you comfortless" "I will come to you", (If we will only but ask) he longs for us to come to him, not the commentators, he desires that we seek him and his word, for no other may lead us into the greatest truth's the deepest truth's than God Himself. 1 Corinthians 2:9-10 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. I have decided that in regards to those under the error of John Calvins / Augustines teachings (And I say that by Gods spirit, with no high-mindedness, simply testifying the truth by Gods Spirit) That we, as mere wretched men can only do so much, say so much, write so much and it will fall short of what a man is willing to accept, yet the Lord in Heaven above shall do his work if we only pray for those who are caught up in their own error and the error of men before them, I have seen plenty of Gods Holy scriptures presented by well versed and blessed Brothers such as George and your Good self, Brandon, Luke, Bro Bones etc etc (I wont do a roll call here ) But the real work that needs done on the heart can only be done by Christ Himself, by his Spirit. 1 Timothy 2:1-5 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Luke 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. ALL MEN! Amen! |
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