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#1
03-23-2009, 02:42 PM
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There Luke, you have it, a better formulated question and thank you Bro Parrish for a reasoned and calm reply. I didn't come on this forum to be flamed, my question is sincere, I have no guile. I tried various searches because I knew beyond a doubt that this subject must have been discussed many times on this forum but I wasn't able to come up with anything.
Diligent, you need to be more restrained on the trigger my friend with that sort of jugular approach you may run off a truth seeker that is having difficulties. I've been through much so I have a thick skin but I appreciate CIVIL DISCOURSE. Thank you, Ron |
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#2
03-23-2009, 02:51 PM
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Welcome to these forums Ron, may God bless your time here!
I believe Bro. Diligent quoted some very relevant scriptures to your question in post #2, and I would like to hear what you think about them? |
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#3
03-23-2009, 06:32 PM
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RonB,
consider these scriptures ask which commandments are missing from the OT Ten commandments given to Israel. in the following verse. Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. you notice Paul only mentions certain commandments in regard to the Body of Christ. and he doesn't mention the sabbath at all. Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. Paul doesn't' even advocate a Sabbath day for the Body of Christ but lets that stand by their own conscience as to what day they consider holy. Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: Now if a man wants to observe a Sabbath (Saturday) then let him do so but he is not to judge another who does not observe the Sabbath and vise versa. Some people out their teach that if you don't worship on the Sabbath your not saved. even as far as to say if you worship on Sunday you have the mark of the beast. Their Problem is they are judging others and Paul says let them not do so Be at peace brother RonB and let your heart tell you what day to observe. I personally worship everyday. Now concerning physical rest. you need one day of rest a week. this is a scientifically proven fact. you can work 16 hour days for 6 days, which is exhausting) but if you physically rest one day in 7 you can fully physically recharge. one last verse for you to consider it is who is the law (ten commandments) for? Mal 4:4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments. the law is given to Israel not to Gentiles or the church age saints today. Read also Acts 15. the Jewish Apostles state that not even their fathers could keep the Law so why should they burden the Gentile to do so? And they agreed not to lay the burden of the law on Gentiles but suggested they refrain from 4 things fornication, strangled animals, pollutions of Idols and from consuming or shedding blood. I hope that helps you to see under the New Testament of our Lord Jesus Christ the body of Christ which is made up largely by Gentiles is under no requirement to keep the law of Exodus 20 given to the Jews except where it agrees with Paul's teaching. Last edited by chette777; 03-23-2009 at 06:39 PM. |
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#4
03-23-2009, 07:19 PM
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And you've gone several posts now without commenting on all the scripture that has been provided -- are we here to reason amongst ourselves? What say you? Now, if I've totally misjudged your initial post, I will gladly say so right here in public after you deal with the Scriptures that have been presented. But I can not help it -- I've been at this too long not to get suspicious when I see posts that look like yours. It sounds just like someone who is hung up on Saturdays trying to stir up a fight over the Sabbath. If you aren't claiming to observe the Sabbath, then good -- otherwise, please provide the Scripture you use to back up your implication that not observing the Sabbath is willful disobedience. |
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#5
03-23-2009, 09:16 PM
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Re: "Sabbath observance"
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This is probably one of the most tolerant Forums on Bible issues you can find on the NET. But on the other hand at least once a week we get these "one issue" people who join the AV1611 Forums, and we have no idea whether they are Christians or not. Your first "Thread" on the Forum raises suspicions, because, instead of coming on and giving us a personal testimony about yourself, you start with a question on a topic that you should have settled long ago - that is, if you spent much time studying the Bible. You see we know nothing about you, for instance: Do you have a Seventh Day Adventist background?; or are you acquainted with British Israelism?; or perhaps you have been influenced by the World Wide Church of God? Without a personal testimony (from your lips to our ears - so to speak), we have no idea who you are, and whether you are sincerely looking for the truth or just another "trouble-maker" (and we get our share every week) looking for a "platform" to expound on whatever "pet doctrine" that may have caught their fancy. Diligent answered your inquiry with Scripture (rightly divided and in context); you have yet to answer him, instead you came back with: Quote:
Instead of dealing with Brandon's reply, you ignored his comments and then "flattered" some of the other brethren who answered you the way you preferred (or demand). But for someone who is supposedly earnestly searching for the truth, you have yet to reply to any of the comments made by any of the brethren who have taken the time to answer your question. Since you posted your Thread: "Sabbath observance", 12 hours have passed and several of the brethren have responded to your question and you have yet to respond to a single one of their comments, except to compliment them on the "nice manner" {  } in which they responded! You said you wanted "some DISCOURSE" - Well DISCOURSE then; 12 hours is plenty of time to at least answer some of the comments made by the brethren in response to you inquiry! {Just exactly what are you trying to accomplish?}You have gotten several answers - are you going to respond, or are you going to keep on criticizing the Administrator of the Forum, because (poor thing) he didn't respond to you in an "acceptable manner"? That is - "acceptable" to you? For someone who claims have a "thick skin" you seem awfully "thin-skinned' to me!  You will notice that I haven't attempted to answer your question, because, at 66 years of age, if you aren't able to discern between "the Jew" (Israel); "the Gentile"; and "the church" [1Corinthians 10:32] - chances are you never will. You claim that your not "new" to the Bible, but this is an issue that you should have settled years ago. (I settled it over 40 years ago) If you're not "new" to the Bible - WHERE have you been? WHO have you been "studying" under? {Do you see WHY your personal testimony might be of some help to us?} If you are sincere, you will start to answer and reply to the comments made by the brethren. If you are "disingenuous" you will go off in a "huff", playing the "victim" to those mean ole intolerant Bible "thumpers" on The AV1611 Bible Forums. 
Last edited by George; 03-23-2009 at 09:22 PM. |
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#6
03-25-2009, 09:53 AM
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Re: Postscript - "Sabbath observance "
Aloha all,
Well, it's over 48 hours since RonB posted his Thread about the Sabbath: Quote:
PLEASE NOTICE: Brandon (Diligent) answered him three times. Parrish answered him once. Luke answered him once. Kiwi Christian answered him once. Chette 777 answered him once. RonB claimed he was looking for "some DISCOURSE": Quote:
I made no attempt to "discourse" with RonB, mainly because of his attitude towards Brandon. After dealing with "Christians" for over 50 years, I am always suspicious of a "Christian" who's interest is in OBSERVING SOMETHING [Matthew 23:23 & Luke 11:42]; who says they have studied the Bible, and yet are still hung-up over "the first principles of the oracles of God" {an inablity to discern between the Jew, the Gentile, and the church of God}; and who claims to be a Christian, but is reluctant to give their personal testimony. In his biography (listed on the Forum) RonB said: "About myself? Not important but I think I'm among friends here." How a person got saved is always important! And where they have been after they got saved will reveal a whole lot about a person. We know nothing about the man or his background, but one thing is obvious - contrary to what he said, he's thin-skinned and has "a chip on his shoulder". In my closing remarks to RonB I stated: Quote:
Contrast RonB's "stealth approach" and "hyper-sensitive attitude", and Tonybones' open declaration of who he is; his background; and his willingness to openly declare what he believes. I may disagree over some issues with brother "bones", but one thing's for certain - he has given a clear testimony to having been saved, and he has been open about his background and where he's been since he got saved. There's a whole lot to be said for someone who is honest and above board, and who has NO GUILE! 
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#7
03-25-2009, 08:31 PM
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yes George I had expected to hear back from him concerning the scriptures I gave him either to the positive or negative. But nada, nil, nothing from RonB.
Maybe he really isn't for discussing just making punches and runny off to his corner. I think we all did as he wanted But was it enough is he on tract now concerning the Sabbath observance? at least he could do is answer whether those scriptures were satisfactory enough. Or is he just gaining scriptures that we use to go against the sabbath day requirement under law for the Jews as a requirement for the body of Christ today. so he can try and debunk it on another forum somewhere? Seems he is a Sabbath Day observing Adventist, COC or British Israelite. |
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#8
03-26-2009, 10:36 PM
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I know I'm not a major contributor on these forums, simply because of two factors: I don't have all the answers (but I do have some!), and secondly, I just can't make enough time in the day to keep on top of such an active forum, especially when each post has so much to think about.
In my former life, I got addicted to a forum for a certain video game clan I played alot, and I became a mainstay there, but that was relatively easy, because the topics were nowhere as meaty. Anyways, I had to quit once I was spending every waking hour on the site. Keeping on top of x number of rich conversations can be exasperating. (-surely some of you must feel this way sometimes) Anyways, I'll just put my two cents in on this RonB post: I agree his entire approach seems like every SDA member I've ever spoken with. What a shame if he is, but we don't know if that's certainly the case. Most cult members have sincere devotion to trying to please God, they'd make great Christians if they could just rely on the scriptures alone, instead of the cult leaders. Whenever SDA is discussed, its always about Sabbath observance, but rarely about Ellen White, which actually creates numerous theological and salvational problems for the follower. Granted, RonB hasn't responded yet, but let's not write him off as running away, because not everyone can live on their PC, perhaps he simply can't get to it yet. Give him some time. Anyone concerned about Sabbath observance clearly didn't come to be concerned over that from any sound-doctrine preacher. If someone came to concern over keeping ONE law, why aren't they equally concerned about ALL laws? And if someone were concerned about all the laws, they would eventually turn to Christ. Hey, maybe RonB is spending his time in Galatians and Romans, which would be the best place for him at this point. Good scripture was given, and if he asks for more discourse, he can have it here. The best thing we can do is explain the Christian's justification by Christ's complete atonement, but even better, we should pray for him. By the way, Diligent, (and you must be, to be forum moderator!), might I ask about your avatar? is that really you? is that some baptist preacher? Perhaps it swings newcomer's perception of your responses, when your doing your job of moderating, of course, they seem to take offense too easily. Could be just them, but could the avatar be adding a little tension? |
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03-27-2009, 10:11 AM
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03-27-2009, 08:18 PM
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Grace and peace Tony |
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