[stephanos]

Originally Posted by Paladin54

Hi Stephen,
and I love you Anabaptists, and seek your fellowship. On this one doctrine of faith, I have been swayed often, so much so that I refuse to correct others, only ask why they say that. I am NOT trying to pin you down and especially not argue, but how do you take
Jeremiah 48:10? The context does not help me.

"Cursed be he that doeth the work of the LORD deceitfully, and cursed be he that keepeth back his sword from blood."

I guess (without looking to deeply into that verse) one would truly be cursed if he kept back his sword from blood when the Lord clearly commanded him to not do so.

I know there are verses in the bible that speak of times the Lord called the people of Israel to go to war against the enemies of their nation, however I cannot in good faith seek out Scriptures that support my being zealous of a particular nation that I live in. I do not believe the nation I live has good intentions, despite the fact that God uses this nation. What I do believe is that my Master doesn't wish that I resist evil (this includes being a pacifist, which is resistance. We, the Anabaptists, are non-violent and non-resistant). I just think that the Masters commandments in regards to this are clear. Perhaps I'm in error in this, but my spirit does not attest to this.

Much Love in Christ,
Stephen

[Paladin54]

From a Non-resistant point of iew, what do you think of the modern nation of Israel?
Does it have any right to exist? Can the nation (biblically) fight to defend themselves.?

[stephanos]

Originally Posted by Paladin54

From a Non-resistant point of iew, what do you think of the modern nation of Israel?
Does it have any right to exist? Can the nation (biblically) fight to defend themselves.?

I believe that God has put people in authority of different nations to serve His purpose. I do not get involved with telling them how to do their job, and I don't think it is good for them to tell me how to serve His purpose as a disciple of Jesus Christ. I pray for Israel, and for the leaders of that state/nation. I'm not sure if there is much more I can do in good faith.

Much Love in Christ,
Stephen

[Jeremy]

Originally Posted by Paladin54

From a Non-resistant point of iew, what do you think of the modern nation of Israel?
Does it have any right to exist? Can the nation (biblically) fight to defend themselves.?

Yes! Gods covenant with Isaac. They took out a Syrian Nuclear facility with little reaction from others.
American needs to remain Pro-Israel.

[Jeremy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwmNf...eature=related

Glenn Beck on Israels right to survive.

Originally Posted by stephanos

I guess (without looking to deeply into that verse) one would truly be cursed if he kept back his sword from blood when the Lord clearly commanded him to not do so.

I know there are verses in the bible that speak of times the Lord called the people of Israel to go to war against the enemies of their nation, however I cannot in good faith seek out Scriptures that support my being zealous of a particular nation that I live in. I do not believe the nation I live has good intentions, despite the fact that God uses this nation. What I do believe is that my Master doesn't wish that I resist evil (this includes being a pacifist, which is resistance. We, the Anabaptists, are non-violent and non-resistant). I just think that the Masters commandments in regards to this are clear. Perhaps I'm in error in this, but my spirit does not attest to this.

Much Love in Christ,
Stephen

The Jehovas Witness cult also reject the idea of patriotism ( national zealouness), saluting the flag, joining their countries armed forces, as well as promoting a non-violent and a non-resistance ideology.

Where do you stand on the doctrines if Christs' diety and identity, salvation by grace through faith, eternal security and the final authority of Gods Word?

fundy