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Old 01-14-2009, 04:01 PM
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Moving this thread from another forum, a collection of various articles and references I have gathered in the last year or so...
hope others enjoy, God bless...

I have been doing a study on giants in ancient history,
sometimes referred to as the Nephilim of the Bible (Numbers 13:32-33, Genesis 6:1-4), Sons of Anak, The Anakim, "Mound builders," Rephaim, The Adena, Ronnongwetowanca, or the Watchers. I am finding a lot of obscure references to old bones from all over the world---in Europe, Asia and North and South America, some of these refer to skeletons 10, 15, 25 feet and even bigger.

Of course some of these are going to be mere hoaxes (like the photoshopped giant human skeleton found in Saudi Arabia) and/or legends, but it is interesting that so many cultures have made mention of these giant men, the Nephilim, in ancient times, living all over the world.

One of the common traits seem to be "double rows of teeth" in some of the skulls, but I cannot seem to find any physical existing examples of those. Many of these references are from the 1800's or early 1900's, and several are from what is now the Ohio River Valley and New York. Anyone who has more information on the Nephilim, please let me know, here are a few links I have at least partially explored...


http://bibleprobe.com/nephilim.htm

http://www.nwcreation.net/nephilim.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/830123/posts

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstrac...609C94629FD7CF

http://solomonspalding.com/SRP/saga2/sagawt0a.htm

http://www.stevequayle.com/Giants/charts/charts.html\

http://www.geocities.com/age_of_gian..._builders.html

http://www.ldolphin.org/nephilim.html

http://paranormal.about.com/od/myste...a/aa060605.htm

http://www.greatdreams.com/reptlan/giants.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...keleton_2.html

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Another name for these giants;
Zamzummim
"In Hebrew, "Zamzummim" (used by the Ammonites) literally translates into "Buzz-Buzzers", or "the people whos speech sounds like buzzing." In Arabic the word zamzamah translates as a distant, unclear sound."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamzummim

I posted this same topic on another Baptist forum, I was surprised that almost all of them tried to provide a naturalistic explanation for the giants, as though they were merely the odd victims of hormone problems or tribes of tall people, not one of these people seemed to think they were the offspring of fallen angels, even though the very name "Nephilim," means "FALLEN ONES."

I am interested in the antediluvian races, I find them to be fascinating and, like Bro. Ruckman, I think it is highly possible the KJV holds great clues to the fall of man and I think the Bible indicates they were more than merely tall humans. It seems that the secular Wikipedia offers more insight than some of the brethren...

"The Bible speaks of this era as being a time of great wickedness. There were Gibborim (giants) in the earth in those days as well as Nephilim; some translations identify the two as one and the same. The Gibborim were unusually powerful; Genesis calls them "heroes of old, men of renown;" (Enoshi Ha Shem). The antediluvian period ended when God sent the Flood to wipe out all life except Noah, his family, and the animals they took with them. Nevertheless, the Nephilim (literally meaning 'fallen ones', from the Hebrew root n-f-l 'to fall') reappear much later in the Biblical narrative, in Numbers 13:31-33. (However, since the Bible was not assembled in chronological order, it is possible that the related verses actually overlap time-wise.)"
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Old 01-14-2009, 04:03 PM
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Continuing...

I think it is at least possible the Nephilim corrupted everything and it's possible they were extremely violent!
"The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence." Gen 6:11
"And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth." Gen 6:13

Many cultures around the world have at least some primitive record of these giants... I'm not talking about flying saucers here, I'm just saying I think it's very possible that these giants were a much bigger part of the antediluvian earth than many people realize! You don't want to believe it fine, but try and have an open mind. Some believe the Nephilim have left their handiwork all around the world in ancient ruins...

The fact is, there are cut stone pieces on mountains in Bolivia that weigh over 900 TONS, located at an elevation of over 12,000 feet. There is a giant wharf in Puma Punka with one cut stone at 440 TONS. Cutting and moving material this size and weight would be questionable even with today's technology, you can read about that here:
http://www.sacredsites.com/americas/...iahuanaco.html

The ruins of Baalbek in Lebanon contains the amazing 1000 TON Stone of the South, which weighs approximately as much as three Boeing 747 aircraft, along with the Trilithon---giant granite stones beautifully fitted together at a height of 20 feet above present ground level. These cut stones are fitted so tightly that you cannot fit a knife or even a needle between them, and it would be a serious challenge for even today's engineers to move something like that even a short distance, you can read about the Trilithon of Baalbek here:
http://www.world-mysteries.com/mpl_5b3.htm

Again, I am not a stupid person, all I am suggesting is there are some things in the ancient world (like the Nephilim) which we have only begun to understand and may never really know about until the Lord shows us later. My study continues...

"...The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people that we saw in it are men of a great stature. And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight." Numbers 13:32-33
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Old 01-14-2009, 04:04 PM
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This might be an interesting book...

Biblical-giants book soars up charts
'The Nephilim' explains ancient pyramids, future events

© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

A unique book that purports to explain the past existence of giant beings referred to in the Bible as the Nephilim has made a surprisingly strong showing on online best-sellers lists...
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...TICLE_ID=42637
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Old 01-14-2009, 04:05 PM
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Here is an interesting article on the "Sons of God," also draws a distinction between the Nephilim and Giborem...
I thought it was funny this Jewish fellow actually believes the same way I do about Matthew 22:30... imagine that!

Sons Of God... Sethites Or Fallen Angels?
"The following article is only a portion of a Biblical study on Demonology: The Doctrine of Fallen Angels- Dr. A.G. Fruchtenbaum. Dr. Fruchtenbaum is a Messianic Jewish believer and founder of http://www.ariel.org in San Antonio Texas. He comes from a family line of Levite Priest (father and grandfather) and has knowledge of scripture that is just uncanny, nonetheless having become a believer in Christ at a young age, his father threw him out of the house for converting from Judaism to Christianity at the age of 17 or 18..."
http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/fo...er&f=23&t=1327
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Old 01-14-2009, 04:06 PM
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Here is an excellent article on THE SONS OF GOD and the Nephilim...
seems to be well thought-out and well presented...

The Sons of God and the Daughters of Men
(Genesis 6:1-8)
By: Bob Deffinbaugh , Th.M.

"I therefore understand the Nephilim to be a race of super-humans who are the product of this angelic invasion of the earth.
This view not only conforms to the biblical use of the expression ‘sons of God,’ it also best fits the context of the passage. The effects of the fall were seen in the godly offspring of Cain (chapter 4). While Cain and his descendants were ‘in Satan’s pocket,’ Satan knew from God’s words in Genesis 3:15 that through the seed of the woman God was going to bring forth a Messiah who would destroy him. We do not know that the entire line of Seth was God-fearing. In fact we would assume otherwise. Noah and his immediate family alone seem to be righteous at the time of the flood..."
http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=67
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Old 01-14-2009, 04:07 PM
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I thought this was kind of strange... the hammer is interesting...
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/giants.htm
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Old 01-14-2009, 04:09 PM
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Book of Giants -- Reconstructed Texts
"A summary statement of the descent of the wicked angels, bringing both knowledge and havoc."
This is a strange reference to the fallen angels and their miscegenation with humans and animals.
I remember Dr. Ruckman mentioning this scenario before, weird stuff...
http://www.gnosis.org/library/dss/ds..._of_giants.htm
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Old 01-14-2009, 04:10 PM
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Here is a brief but funny article, this appears to be from the TIME archives, circa 1946 (?)
poor dumb evolutionists had no idea what they were looking at...

Giants of Old
"Many anthropologists believe that Man developed from a small, feeble ancestor. Gradually he grew bigger until he reached his present peak. But last week Dr. Ralph von Koenigswald, Dutch paleontologist, pressed a new theory. He thinks that Man grew gigantic a million years ago, then shrank to his present size.

Dr. von Koenigswald found in Java before the war a great bank of soft, eroding stone peppered with ancient fossils. He organized a gang of natives to pick up bones after every rain. At last he got a hatful of humanlike fragments.

The oldest were the biggest. From the lowest level came massive teeth and jaw bones which must have belonged to monstrous manlike creatures eight to nine feet tall and weighing 600 to 700 pounds. They were four times as big as modern man..."
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...804029,00.html
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Old 01-14-2009, 04:12 PM
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So, we have been discussing these giants for a while...
but why does the Bible say there were giants IN THE EARTH? (Gen 6:4)

"And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it." Job 1:7

Does that seem a bit strange to anyone?
Searching various sites on the so-called "Hollow Earth Theory" revealed some interesting items. Of course, some of these sites get into the paranormal fringe areas, you know---the flying saucers and Bigfoot stuff, so please don't think I am trying to validate any or all of this material, but this old theory about the "Hollow Earth" is kind of interesting. I have linked a few of these below, explore them if you like. One thing I did not realize was the mention of this concept in other world religions, for example...

Buddhist Theory
"It is believed to be a race of supermen and superwomen who occasionally come to the surface to oversee the development of the human race. It is also believed that this subterranean world has millions of inhabitants and many cities, its capital being Shambala."

Hindu
"In India there is an ancient belief, still held by some, in a subterranean race of serpent people who dwell in the cities Patala and Bhogavati. According to the legend, they wage war on the kingdom of Agharta. "The Nagas," according to "The Deep Dwellers," "are described as a very advanced race or species, with a highly-developed technology. They also harbor a disdain for human beings, whom they are said to abduct, torture, interbreed with and even to eat."
http://www.crystalinks.com/hollowearth.html

Lots of interesting reading on this page, link at bottom...

ADMIRAL RICHARD E. BYRD
"The first public scientific evidence of Agartha's existence occurred in 1947 when Admiral Richard E. Byrd of the United States Navy flew to the North Pole. Instead of going over the pole - he actually entered the inner earth. In his diary, he tells of entering the hollow interior of the earth, along with others and traveling 17 miles over mountains, lakes, rivers, green vegetation, and animal life. He tells of seeing tremendous animals --resembling the mammoths of antiquity moving --through the brush. He eventually found cities and a thriving civilization. The external temperature was 74 degrees F..."

THE HOLLOW EARTH: A MADDENING THEORY THAT CAN'T BE DISPROVED
From OMNI Magazine (October 1983)...

United States Patent 1096102: The Hollow Earth Theory
"On November 25, 1912 Marshall B. Gardner of Aurora, Kane County, Illinois, USA, submitted his discovery application to the United States Patent Office. 18 months later, on May 12,1914, this federal agency granted Mr. Gardner United States patent 1096102, the second most important scientific document ever issued. Its scientific significance is exceeded only by the mechanical flight discovery of Orville and Wilbur Wright in 1903. For reasons which even Mr. Gardner could not have fully anticipated in the early 1900s, and which are now abundantly clear, his discovery soon became the most highly classified military secret of all time. In 1913 Gardner wrote his original book proving beyond any doubt that our Earth is a hollow sphere. So voluminous was the evidence which he continued to amass from studies of astronomy and Polar exploration, that he expanded his book to 450 pages in 1920...."
http://greyfalcon.us/Agartha.htm
 

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