[Jassy]

Hi sister,

As you know, I used to be in this "We are under the LAW - we must keep the LAW, because CHRIST did!" CAMP. But no longer. Paul taught that we are now under GRACE. Does that mean we throw away the Law? NO, but it has been FULFILLED by Christ. The sacrifice necessary under the LAW was given once and for all by Jesus Christ. I believe in that and trust in that.

Romans 4:14
"For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:"

Galatians 3
19 - "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator."
21 -Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 - But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise of the faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 - But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 - Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 - But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 - For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 - For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 - There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 - And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Jassy

Originally Posted by Jassy

Hi sister,

As you know, I used to be in this "We are under the LAW - we must keep the LAW, because CHRIST did!" CAMP. But no longer. Paul taught that we are now under GRACE. Does that mean we throw away the Law? NO, but it has been FULFILLED by Christ. The sacrifice necessary under the LAW was given once and for all by Jesus Christ. I believe in that and trust in that.

Very good Jassy... I can tell you are resting in God's grace.
If I may ask, what is your background with respect to keeping the law?

[Jassy]

Originally Posted by Bro. Parrish

Very good Jassy... I can tell you are resting in God's grace.
If I may ask, what is your background with respect to keeping the law?

Bro Parrish - I used to be a member of the Worldwide Church of God (Armstrong). Wow! Was I ever misled! Thankfully the Lord through the Holy Spirit led me to know that there was something very unholy about that church and I left it. I floundered around for awhile and finally came to discover the KJV. I have been a KJV supporter/uplifter ever since! It was my own personal studies of the KJV that led me to understand about GRACE.

Originally Posted by Jassy

Bro Parrish - I used to be a member of the Worldwide Church of God (Armstrong). Wow! Was I ever misled! Thankfully the Lord through the Holy Spirit led me to know that there was something very unholy about that church and I left it. I floundered around for awhile and finally came to discover the KJV. I have been a KJV supporter/uplifter ever since! It was my own personal studies of the KJV that led me to understand about GRACE.

Ahhh, that makes sense, glad you listened to God and got out of that mess... nothing like a KJV to clear up doctrinal issues.

[Jassy]

Originally Posted by Bro. Parrish

Ahhh, that makes sense, glad you listened to God and got out of that mess... nothing like a KJV to clear up doctrinal issues.

Bro. Parrish! Yes, I praise and thank God that he drew me OUT of that church! Now I don't depend on any church or minister to tell me what my belief should be. I read and study, and let the Holy Spirit guide me.

[Forrest]

Originally Posted by Jassy

As you know, I used to be in this "We are under the LAW - we must keep the LAW, because CHRIST did!" CAMP. But no longer. Paul taught that we are now under GRACE. Does that mean we throw away the Law? NO, but it has been FULFILLED by Christ. The sacrifice necessary under the LAW was given once and for all by Jesus Christ. I believe in that and trust in that.

Jassy

Jassy, I am glad you've come to understand the freedom, liberty, and victory that is ours in Christ Jesus alone. Many are fearful of teaching GRACE because they think it will direct others to a care free sinful lifestyle when in reality the opposite is true.

You made this observation:

Does that mean we throw away the Law?

I think I know what you are saying here. But we are actually told to "cast it (the law) out." Anyone today who attempts to place us back under the law is either ignorant (no disrespect intended) of GRACE or is "spying out our liberty" which is ours in Christ Jesus. The immature Christian relates and connects the word "liberty" in Christ with the word "license" to sin. That is a gross error as a result of failing to rightly divide the word of truth. In saying that, it's important for us to know that when we truly teach the full message of GRACE some will abuse it. But the fact is, GRACE never loses its efficacy because the person who is full of GRACE and truth abides in us.

Consider this portion of Galatians:

Galatians 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

Galatians 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

Galatians 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

Galatians 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

Galatians 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Galatians 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Galatians 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

Galatians 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Galatians 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Galatians 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

All that we need for righteousness and sanctification in in Christ Jesus our Lord. So, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage" (Galatians 5:1).

My earnest desire is to see all of us "...grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ."

[Jassy]

Originally Posted by Forrest

Jassy, I am glad you've come to understand the freedom, liberty, and victory that is ours in Christ Jesus alone. Many are fearful of teaching GRACE because they think it will direct others to a care free sinful lifestyle when in reality the opposite is true.

You made this observation:



I think I know what you are saying here. But we are actually told to "cast it (the law) out." Anyone today who attempts to place us back under the law is either ignorant (no disrespect intended) of GRACE or is "spying out our liberty" which is ours in Christ Jesus. The immature Christian relates and connects the word "liberty" in Christ with the word "license" to sin. That is a gross error as a result of failing to rightly divide the word of truth. In saying that, it's important for us to know that when we truly teach the full message of GRACE some will abuse it. But the fact is, GRACE never loses its efficacy because the person who is full of GRACE and truth abides in us.

Consider this portion of Galatians:

Galatians 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

Galatians 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

Galatians 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

Galatians 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

Galatians 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Galatians 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Galatians 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

Galatians 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Galatians 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Galatians 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

All that we need for righteousness and sanctification in in Christ Jesus our Lord. So, "Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage" (Galatians 5:1).

My earnest desire is to see all of us "...grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ."

Brother Forrest, thank you very kindly for the valuable information. My view is that we can never say that God's Law was BAD. He created it - so it was good and served its purpose for the Jews. That is why I said that we don't throw away the Law. It did serve its purpose - but it is not for us today. We are today under GRACE, as the apostle Paul has taught us.

[tonybones2112]

Originally Posted by Jassy

Brother Forrest, thank you very kindly for the valuable information. My view is that we can never say that God's Law was BAD. He created it - so it was good and served its purpose for the Jews. That is why I said that we don't throw away the Law. It did serve its purpose - but it is not for us today. We are today under GRACE, as the apostle Paul has taught us.

Absolutely. Iwish sister Tandi would read these verses:

I Timothy 1:3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,
4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;
9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;
13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Paul wrote Philemon for Onesimus, Jesus said to God the Father, they made the debt, they commited the offense, ILL PAY THE BILL. And He washed me in His Blood, gave me HIS righteousness and HIS faith and declared me free and redeemed, and when He looks at me He don;t see those sins, He sees His Blood that has blotted ouy my sins and forgiven ALL OF THEM, PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE.

So what do I need the Law for? It's not for me.

Grace and peace

tony

[Forrest]

Originally Posted by tonybones2112

And He washed me in His Blood, gave me HIS righteousness and HIS faith and declared me free and redeemed, and when He looks at me He don;t see those sins, He sees His Blood that has blotted ouy my sins and forgiven ALL OF THEM, PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE.

tony

Pretty AMAZING GRACE, isn't it? There really is, "Power in the blood..." Indeed, brother, it's ALL Christ and none of me.

Galatians 2:20-21 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Thanks for your comments too, Brother Winman.

[tonybones2112]

Originally Posted by Forrest

Pretty AMAZING GRACE, isn't it? There really is, "Power in the blood..." Indeed, brother, it's ALL Christ and none of me.

Galatians 2:20-21 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Thanks for your comments too, Brother Winman.

We all appreciate brother Win, he is a valuable asset to this forum.

Go forth now my friend and makew every thought captive for Christ.

GRACE and peace to you

Tony