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Old 06-04-2009, 12:39 PM
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I have another question on Acts. When was Paul saved?

Act 9:17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, [even] Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
Act 9:18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.

Act 22:13 Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him.
Act 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

I thought Paul was already saved when Ananias went to see him, calling him Brother Saul. If that's right, then why did Ananias tell Paul to wash away his sins, calling on the Lord?
I know I am missing something here. Any insight will be great. Thanks in advance.
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Old 06-04-2009, 01:38 PM
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Paul said he was one born out of due time when he saw Jesus on the road to Damascus (1 Cor 15:8). He already had the Holy Spirit indwelling in him, but Ananias was a law abiding orthodox Jew who had not seen the revelation of Acts 8:35, Acts 10:15, or Acts 13:39-40. All he probably knew at the time was Acts 2:38.
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Old 06-05-2009, 12:22 AM
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I have another question on Acts. When was Paul saved?

Act 9:17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, [even] Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
Act 9:18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.

Act 22:13 Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me, Brother Saul, receive thy sight. And the same hour I looked up upon him.
Act 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

I thought Paul was already saved when Ananias went to see him, calling him Brother Saul. If that's right, then why did Ananias tell Paul to wash away his sins, calling on the Lord?
I know I am missing something here. Any insight will be great. Thanks in advance.
Tim, if you want to know the exact instant Paul was saved, it would be Acts 9:6 when He acknowledged Jesus Christ as Lord and ask him, what wilt thou have me to do?

Now, let's compare Scripture with Scripture and look at the passages rightly divided, look at the progressive revelation:

Ac 9:10 And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord.

Acts 21:40 And when he had given him licence, Paul stood on the stairs, and beckoned with the hand unto the people. And when there was made a great silence, he spake unto them in the Hebrew tongue, saying,

Ac 22:12 And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law, having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there,

The 'people" Paul is speaking to in Acts 22 are Jews, and we must remember, as i keep pointing out, the Jews had a blistering hatred and racial/spiritual bigotry against anything not Jewish. Paul is not going to point out that Ananias was a "disciple" of Jesus Christ; these people do not know who Jesus Christ is, Paul is in the prcess of preaching Him to them. Thus Paul will point out Ananias's status and stature as being a Jew and a man of good report regarding the Law. Anaias would be one of the converts of Acts 2 and understanding Leviticus 8, would know just exactly what water baptism was as Ananais received it himself as a "disciple". He was a "priest" of the "kingdom of priests", he had been batized in water(consecrated) and had the gift oif the Holy Ghost(sanctification), note Ananais lays his hands on Paul and heals his blindness. Ananais knew nothing of the Body of Christ, he knew nothing of the books of Romans and Galatians, he knew nothing of the One Baptism of I Cor. 12:13 becasue none of this had yet been given to Paul yet. That's called, "progressive revelation".

Acts 9:15 contains our commission for today: To bear the name of Christ to Gentiles, kings, and Jews as ministers of the reconciliation, as ambassadors for Christ, to preach Christ crucified. Paul's commission was not to baptize in water, neither is ours. Paul's commission after Acts 28 when his ministry to national Israel ceased was without:

Water baptism
Tongues
Signs
Wonders
Healings
Drinking deadly poisons
Raising the dead

So is our commission. Why is our commission in exclusion of the above, Tim?

Because they are for to make a show in the flesh.

1Co 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

2Co 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight: )
Ro 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Ro 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2Co 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

This is why Paul was chosen, as a wise masterbuilder to be custodian from one dispensation to another, from Time Past to But Now. Salvation by grace through faith alone in Christ crucified apart from the works of the Law, which water baptism is part of. The water baptism of Acts 9 is the water baptism of Acts 2 and Matt. 3 and Lev 8 and Paul had no remission of sin without it, as no one in Acts 2 had remission of sin without it.

Thus Paul had to be water baptized, water baptism to the Jews was still operative under the entire book of Acts. Paul had to receive his sight again via the actions of Ananias, Paul was a Jew and was looking for signs, Paul required a sign.

I hope you have found this helpful.

Grace and peace

Tony
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Old 06-06-2009, 02:21 PM
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Annanias received a command from our Lord Jesus Christ as he hath seen him in a vison to put his hand on Paul that he might received his sight. Paul's encountered with the Lord led him to understand about himself with trembling and astonishment. This implies that he can do nothing except the Lord whom he persecuted. Paul was saved that is why our Lord said unto Annanias that he was a chosen vessel, to bear Christ name before the Gentiles. To be noted in verse 11, Saul was already praying, perhaps a marked that he had already a changed heart. Annanias could now approached him Brother Saul, since he had already been saved and only by touching him might received his sight and be filled with the Holy Ghost not to be sealed/indwelt by the Holy Ghost which was unto every believer upon accepting Christ as Saviour. Momentarily he was baptized by Annanias as an identification and to begin his ministry preaching Christ as the Son of God in the synagouges.

Acts 9:10 And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord.
Acts 9:12 And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.
Acts 9:3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
Acts 9:6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
Acts 9:17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
Acts 9:18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
Acts 9:20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.

When was Paul got saved? When he encountered the Lord not when he encountered Annanias.

The Conversion of Paul leads me to think on the following:
1. Paul as the Persecutor - Acts 9:1-2
2. Paul as the Penintent - Acts 5-6
3. Paul as the Prayerful- Acts 9:11
4. Paul as the Preacher - Acts 9:20-22
5. Paul as the Persecuted Acts 9:23-24

As I study this one together with chapter 22, and as Paul rehearsed his conversion, verse 7 of Acts 9 seem a contradictory with 22:9 where verse 7 stated that Paul's companion heard the voice and whereas 22:9 did not "hear the voice". Why is this? Any could offer help? thanks in advance too.
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I believe this is where Paul got saved

Acts 9:4-9 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do. and the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus. And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink.
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I agree, I believe Paul was saved when he realized Jesus was the Lord. You see some interesting things here, first Paul asked;

"Who art thou Lord"?

I have a feeling Paul knew who it was, but perhaps not. Then the Lord answered;

"I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks."

I think the very moment Paul heard the name Jesus he was saved. This must have been a terrifying moment for him, as he realized he had been persecuting the people of God and the Lord himself. But Paul surrendered his heart and will to Jesus that very moment and said;

"Lord, what wilt thou have me to do?"

Unlike those who saw and heard Jesus and rejected him, Paul was no fool. And he was a true man who honestly wanted to know God. He surrendered his life to Jesus right then and there.
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I agree, I believe Paul was saved when he realized Jesus was the Lord. You see some interesting things here, first Paul asked;

"Who art thou Lord"?

I have a feeling Paul knew who it was, but perhaps not. Then the Lord answered;

"I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks."

I think the very moment Paul heard the name Jesus he was saved. This must have been a terrifying moment for him, as he realized he had been persecuting the people of God and the Lord himself. But Paul surrendered his heart and will to Jesus that very moment and said;

"Lord, what wilt thou have me to do?"

Unlike those who saw and heard Jesus and rejected him, Paul was no fool. And he was a true man who honestly wanted to know God. He surrendered his life to Jesus right then and there.
Paul knew who He was, that is, he knew he was God or he would not have, as a Pharisee and Hebrew of the Hebrews, called Him "Lord":

De 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Mr 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Grace and peace friends

Tony
 

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