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Old 01-05-2009, 02:48 AM
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So, if the NIV (along with a plethora of other "modern" translations, paraphrases, and fairy tales) is all that and a bag of chips, how can it make the wind change direction? Case in point...

Act 27:14 But not long after there arose against it a tempestuous wind, called Euroclydon.

The word Euroclydon from Strongs...

G2148
Εὐροκλύδων
Eurokludōn
yoo-rok-loo'-dohn
From Εὖρος Euros (the east wind) and G2830; a storm from the east (or south east), that is, (in modern phrase) a Levanter: - Euroklydon.

The word Euroclydon from the dictionary...

Euroclydon
Eu*roc"ly*don\, n. [NL., fr. Gr. ?; ? the southeast wind + ? wave, billow; according to another reading, ?, i. e. a north-east wind, as in the Latin Vulgate Euro-aquilo.] A tempestuous northeast wind which blows in the Mediterranean. See Levanter.

A tempestuous wind called Euroclydon. --Acts xxvii. 14.

Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.



This of course begs the question, if the KJV is just a rewrite of the latin vulgate (which has been thrown at me), why isn't it called a "nor'easter" in the KJV, too?


le⋅vant⋅er
   /lɪˈvæntər/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [li-van-ter] Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
a strong easterly wind in the Mediterranean.
Origin:
1620–30
; Levant + -er 1


The "modern" translations call this wind a "nor'easter" like Paul and the boys just crawled out of the blueberry bushes up in Maine.


nor'east⋅er
   /ˌnɔrˈistər/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [nawr-ee-ster] Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
northeaster.
Origin:
1830–40

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)


noun
a storm blowing from the northeast [syn: northeaster]

Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.


So, has anyone else ever had this one dropped in their proverbial lap? I heard someone speak Sunday morning, an avowed KJV person, and during his sermon used the term "nor'easter" while admitting that it did come from an NIV. This truly surprised me as he has always been structurally thorough. If the "modern" translations are better, they can even get the wind to change directions. Thought only Jesus could do that...
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Old 01-05-2009, 03:46 AM
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It is clear that running to the Greek only serves to confuse the issue.
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Just to be clear on what new translations say:

Acts 27:14 (New American Standard Bible)

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14But before very long there (A)rushed down from the land a violent wind, called [a]Euraquilo;

Footnotes:

1. Acts 27:14 I.e. a northeaster

Acts 27:14 (New International Version)

14Before very long, a wind of hurricane force, called the "northeaster," swept down from the island.

Acts 27:14 (English Standard Version)

14But soon a tempestuous wind, called the northeaster,(A) struck down from the land.


I cant really see an issue here ?!?!?!
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Southeast vs Northeast - only one of them is right! Guess which one!
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Old 01-05-2009, 08:36 AM
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The new translations are always left blowing in the wind by the KJV.
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Tmonk:

The new perversions say Northeastern, while the King James and the Greek root both say Southwest.
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Tmonk:

The new perversions say Northeastern, while the King James and the Greek root both say Southwest.
This is one spot I will concede a kudo to the NKJV. At least they got that part right.
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It is clear that running to the Greek only serves to confuse the issue.


(Rhetorical question)
Why do I ever need to consult with the Hebrew or Greek when the translators found the most concise and descriptive English word/terms for me?

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East, northeast, southeast does it truly matter?
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Old 01-06-2009, 04:43 AM
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The issue is the exactness of Scripture. Black is not white, nor gray or grey. The first step is to believe that God has actually supplied His truth in His Scripture. God is not the one getting in the way of that (nothing can stand against God's truth longterm and win). God is not the author of confusion. "Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was." (2 Tim. 3:8, 9). NO FURTHER.
 

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