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Old 12-28-2008, 12:24 PM
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Dinosaurs!

I have no problem with dinosaurs.
There is room for different views here, some believe all dinosaurs were destroyed during the flood, (there is much fossil evidence for flood related dino-deaths), others believe eggs or young were carried on the ark and survived the flood, only to later become extinct at the hands of men—who called them "dragons." The Bible uses ancient names like "Behemoth” and “tannin.” (Job 40:15-19) The word dinosaur was not heard until the 1800's. At any rate, here a few items you may enjoy from my archives about dinosaurs...


70 million-year-old fossil yields preserved blood vessels. Tissue fragments from a Tyrannosaurus rex femur are shown at left, when it is flexible and resilient and when stretched (arrow) returns to its original shape. The middle photo shows the bone after it is air dried. The photo at right shows regions of bone showing fibrous character, not normally seen in fossil bone.

Are they really that old?
If they survived the flood, dinosaurs would have come under increasing pressure from hunters and weather changes—many believe Earth's atmosphere after the flood was changed quite a bit. They were killed out of fear and for food, just like many other large animals down through history. Remember, God has a "master plan"—but that includes allowing men to pretty much handle things on Earth as stewards of the natural world. Men have driven many species to extinction, not just the dinosaurs. Amazingly, scientists (Mary Higby Schweitzer of North Carolina State University) have now found T-Rex bones with blood and soft tissue still present—providing strong evidence to suggest they were on the Earth far more recently than some care to admit. Take a look, they certainly don't look 70 millon years old to me:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7285683/

More recently, it appears another team has retrieved similarly unfossilized dinosaur bone from Alaska's Colville River in the Liscomb Bone Bed. The team reported that some of these bones are petrified and some are unpetrified or unfossilized, see here:
http://www.christiananswers.net/catalog/bk-alaska.html

Evidence for Men and Dinosaurs together?
There is a lot of speculation here, but there are references to dragons in the Bible, and people fighting with dragons throughout European writings and artwork, Marco Polo wrote of the Chinese training dragons, and there is evidence suggesting that dragons or dinosaurs may have been seen by Anasazi Indians in North America at the first link below, related info at bottom:
http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2705
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/2.asp
http://www.answersingenesis.org/crea...9/i4/blood.asp

The so-called Taylor Trail of the Paluxy River in Glen Rose Texas, has been hotly debated over the years. Some creationists have insisted that during the 1960's and 70's it once showed a detailed series of 14 sequential, fossilized human-like footprints on the same sediment platform with at least 134 dinosaur tracks. Of course evolutionists have their own interpretation on this, and much of this evidence has been reported as either naturally eroded indistinct metatarsal dinosaur tracks (see Paleo link below) or simply fakes. Some creationists, such as Ken Ham, have also suggested the tracks are not human, and yet others (Dr. Don Patton) insist the original stratum was destroyed by erosion and disturbed evolutionists with a crow bar, but you can still see what are claimed to be the remarkable series of un-retouched original photos from the 1970's here. Patton claims these images were taken before the two men who attended his presentation destroyed them with an iron bar, the high resolution photos appear to show all five toes, instep and clearly defined heel, take a look and decide for yourself:
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/taylor-trail.htm
http://paleo.cc/paluxy/elong.htm

The American Sioux Indians have long described the so-called "Thunder Bird" in their culture and history, and always draw it as strangely similar to the pterosaur Pteranodon. There is also a very good bas-relief picture of what appears to be a stegosaurus in the ruins of Angkor outside of Siem Reap, Cambodia:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2007/0115angkor.asp


Komodo's "dragons" were not documented by Europeans until 1910

Conclusions...
I think believers should keep an open mind about dinosaurs, as I say, I have no problem with them, and as time goes on we may learn more about them and exactly when they existed. I think it is dangerous to be dogmatic on some things, after all---It was once held that mammoths and mastodons became extinct 30,000 to 40,000 years ago. However, when flint spear points were found in mammoth bones, the evolutionist scientific community had to concede reluctantly that these animals were actually being hunted in America by humans:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/crea...9/i2/stone.asp
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Old 12-30-2008, 03:22 AM
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I believe that most dinosaurs were killed in Noah's flood which explains dinosaur burial grounds where the bones of sometimes hundreds of dinosaurs are found piled together. I believe that Noah must have carried some dinosaurs onto the ark and that they survived many years after that. This explains the stories of "dragons" in many civilizations over the centuries. There is real evidence that dinosaurs might even be alive today.

Here is an article from National Geographic telling of an intact "mummified" dino that was found just a few years ago.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...dinomummy.html

They cannot explain the remarkable state of preservation of this dino, they can even tell what foods this dino had eaten before it's death!

Instead of seeing this as evidence that dinos lived until very recently, evolutionists have said there must be a previously unknown process of preservation that must be researched.

There are even reports of recovering DNA which is extremely fragile. It would be remarkable for DNA to survive even a few hundred years, much less 70 million years or so when dinos were supposed to have gone extinct.

Here is an article on the mysterious Ica Stones of Peru that show man and dinos living together.

http://www.omniology.com/IcaPeruDinoArt.html
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Old 12-30-2008, 09:21 AM
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Thanks for your post and comments on the Dinosaurs...
here are more links on the Ica stones of Dr. Javier Cabrera:
http://members.cox.net/icastones/photographs.htm
http://members.cox.net/icastones/photos.htm
http://members.cox.net/icastones/my_visit.htm
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Old 12-30-2008, 01:42 PM
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Thank you.

The interesting thing about the Omniology site is that the author was an atheist, but through his sincere studies came to believe that the Bible account of creation is true and became a Christian. His testimony can be found on the site.

You mentioned the mammoths in your first post, here are some photos of mammoths that prove they are still alive today!

http://www.omniology.com/LivingMammoth.html
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Old 12-30-2008, 02:01 PM
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Hmmm, I'm not an expert on pachyderms, how does that differ from an ordinary Asian elephant brother?
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Old 12-30-2008, 02:55 PM
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Well, I am no expert on elephants either.

But these elephants caused quite a controversy, being much larger than any Asian elephants ever found, and because of the exaggerated bump or dome on their heads. Some believe these are true relatives of the mammoth, some claim they are birth defects or mutations.

It is hard to find info, but here is one article I found.

http://web.ncf.ca/bz050/HomePage.gne.html

What is truly amazing about the article is that they main reason they give for not accepting this as a "STEGODONT" elephant (even though it has features known only to this elephant) is simply because it does not fit their evolutionary assumptions that it went extinct over a million years ago!

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I often wonder about the Loch Ness monster. It seems many lakes have similar creatures lurking below the water, each very similar in description and often suggested to be dinosaurs.

Not meaning to re-introduce the Gap Fact/Theory (Fact coming before Theory in terms of the alphabet ), but if dinosaurs were destroyed during Noah's flood why wouldn't it be possible for some of these to have survived until today, hiding in these deep bodies of water.

Does it really matter? Is my salvation in any way effected by all this?

Not at all. It's just interesting.

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I too am fascinated by dinosaurs, especially the Loch Ness Monster, and all the other similar creatures that lurk in lakes all over the world! I've done a lot of reading on it. Not sure why it's so fascinating to me. I personally thing they are plesiosaurs.
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Not sure why it's so fascinating to me.
I've been asked before why I'm interested in whether or not there were dinosaurs, as well as why I believe there were unicorn's, dragons, satyrs, and the like. As has been discussed numerous times on this board, I believe the men who translated our King James bible to be the highly intelligent men that they were and, for example, if they had ment rhino rather than unicorn they would have said so. I realize I differ from others in this opinion and we can agree to disagree.

I look at the platypus and the dodo - wonderful creatures, certainly with a cartoon like quality. Then I consider the panda bear surrounded by its green habitat and the penguin with wings that does not fly.

The behemoth and leviathan, I wonder why we have to deprive them being magnificient creatures, along with the unicorns and the dragons etc and find someway to make the extraordinary ordinary.
There is certainly nothing ordinary about our Creator or the manner in which He created. I don't understand it, I simply marvel at it:

Ps 72:18 ¶ Blessed be the LORD God, the God of Israel, who only doeth wondrous things.

Why do we insist that because we have never seen one of these they could not have possibly existed? Rhetorical question.

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Old 12-30-2008, 07:55 PM
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Hey guys thanks for your comments here,
I love learning about dinosaurs too...

Harley, I think the Loch Ness monster story was greatly damaged when it was revealed the famous surgeon's photo had been a hoax, however let me quickly add, there may have been a real creature there to start the stories long before that photo was ever made, and there are similar stories from many other witnesses around the world of strange sea creatures, so who knows. I agree with you, as the Coelacanth and the Megamouth Shark (Megachasma pelagios) have already proven, scientists really have no idea what lurks in the deep oceans.

Josh, I agree there there is plenty of evidence suggesting that dragons or dinosaurs may have been seen by modern man, all it takes is an open mind and an honest review of the evidence. If you haven't already, please check out my first post on this thread, I have several very good links under the section "Evidence for Men and Dinosaurs together." Please feel free to add more links and articles, God bless...

From Job 40:

15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.

16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.

17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.

19 He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.

20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.

21 He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.

22 The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.
 

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