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Old 05-23-2009, 11:36 PM
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I have an old sermon on UFO's by Dr. Ruckman, in that sermon he gives some interesting comments regarding the "flying roll" of Zechariah 5 (as I recall he considers this to be a UFO). I have posted this passage below for review.

I have also noticed that we have several excellent students of the Bible on this forum who claim to have seen UFO's, (Unidentified Flying Objects) so feel free to post your comments on what you think about these things and tell us what you experienced.

Zechariah 5

1 Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll.

2 And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits.

3 Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.

4 I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.

5 Then the angel that talked with me went forth, and said unto me, Lift up now thine eyes, and see what is this that goeth forth.

6 And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth.

7 And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah.

8 And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof.

9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven.

10 Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah?

11 And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base.
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Old 05-24-2009, 05:10 AM
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I am not an excellent Bible student, but I have seen UFOs on multiple occasions. But it is difficult to talk about, because as soon as you do some people treat you like you are crazy. All I can say is that I am not crazy whatsoever, I think my posts reflect that. I am a careful observer. Several of the objects I observed were from very close and unmistakeable for known objects. I am talking about objects I could observe in detail, not little lights in the far distance. I even saw one of these objects in the daytime. I have never seen any occupants or had missing time or anything like that. If anyone wants to hear about these observations, I will be glad to write a detailed report.

I personally think UFOs are spiritual. They are like angels who made physical manifestations in the OT. I think that in this state they can be observed, and possibly even touched. At the same time they can break our natural laws at will. This is why UFOs have been observed to accelerate to fantastic speeds from a dead stop (this would kill an occupant), make right angle turns, or plunge into the sea or mountain without harm.

I also believe that there is a reason for the modern UFO age that started around 1947 with the observations of the pilot Kenneth Arnold in Washington state. It was Arnold who described these objects as looking like "flying saucers". This description caught on and now is a common term.

I believe UFOs serve several purposes, all of them evil. First, they cast doubt on the creation account. Many believe life on Earth was placed here by ancient astronauts from other planets. So, they cast doubt on the validity of the Bible.

I believe UFOs may be used to explain the Rapture. When millions of Christians are suddenly caught up, perhaps UFOs will be blamed for this disapperance.

Because of these observations, I have taken a keen interest in UFOs in the past. But I rarely read or study about them anymore. I did find this article several years ago, and to me it makes a lot of sense.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ci...nciareal07.htm
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Old 05-24-2009, 06:58 AM
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I am not an excellent Bible student, but I have seen UFOs on multiple occasions. But it is difficult to talk about, because as soon as you do some people treat you like you are crazy. All I can say is that I am not crazy whatsoever, I think my posts reflect that. I am a careful observer. Several of the objects I observed were from very close and unmistakeable for known objects. I am talking about objects I could observe in detail, not little lights in the far distance. I even saw one of these objects in the daytime. I have never seen any occupants or had missing time or anything like that. If anyone wants to hear about these observations, I will be glad to write a detailed report.

I personally think UFOs are spiritual. They are like angels who made physical manifestations in the OT. I think that in this state they can be observed, and possibly even touched. At the same time they can break our natural laws at will. This is why UFOs have been observed to accelerate to fantastic speeds from a dead stop (this would kill an occupant), make right angle turns, or plunge into the sea or mountain without harm.

I also believe that there is a reason for the modern UFO age that started around 1947 with the observations of the pilot Kenneth Arnold in Washington state. It was Arnold who described these objects as looking like "flying saucers". This description caught on and now is a common term.

I believe UFOs serve several purposes, all of them evil. First, they cast doubt on the creation account. Many believe life on Earth was placed here by ancient astronauts from other planets. So, they cast doubt on the validity of the Bible.

I believe UFOs may be used to explain the Rapture. When millions of Christians are suddenly caught up, perhaps UFOs will be blamed for this disapperance.

Because of these observations, I have taken a keen interest in UFOs in the past. But I rarely read or study about them anymore. I did find this article several years ago, and to me it makes a lot of sense.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ci...nciareal07.htm
Winman, I think you're right. I believe UFOs are spiritual vessels and all the different types of aliens are demons or devils.

It's all a part of the 'big" lie that will damn all who believe it. God will send strong delusion that those who believed not the truth WILL believe the BIG LIE. Evolution, the moon landing, Roswell, NM, crop circles, aliens, UFOs are all pieces of the lie which I'll refer to as the strong delusion.

Seeking out interaction with fallen angels and demons ("aliens") is participating in the occult in the same way as attempting to contact spirits through the Ouija board, seance, witchcraft, necromancy.

Christians need to think and pray about it. If you have even a grain of doubt that you should be out looking for UFOs, then don't do it. I know I have enough to answer to the Lord for, as it is. God forbid I should have to explain why I encouraged others to become involved with secret, hidden things; phenomena designed to pave the way for believing the big lie through strong delusion.

I would have responded earlier but I thought the reference to UFO watching had to be an inside joke that I haven't been around long enough to "get". I plead with any christian not to get involved with this. If I saw a UFO I would run the other way as fast as I could. Better yet, I would drop to my knees and pray for discernment and protection.

2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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Old 05-24-2009, 07:03 AM
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I'm not sure how I did it but I was editing my post and it showed up twice so I erased this one

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Old 05-24-2009, 02:57 PM
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There is a new series on the History Channel called UFO Hunters, it's a pretty straightforward documentary... they interview a lot of police officers, commercial pilots and military personnel... anyway, a few days ago they had some video footage on there taken over an airport that was REALLY strange... to me it sounds very similar to what Winman saw, if I can find it I will put up a link.
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http://www.letusreason.org/NAM24.htm
http://www.letusreason.org/NAM25.htm
http://www.letusreason.org/NAM26.htm

The man who wrote these isn't KJV only and I'm not sure if he even uses a KJV, but he sure does know the "Bibles" that he owns. This man has also done a great deal of reaserch of cults and occultism and I find much of his stuff interesting to read, and has three articles on U.F.Os which I posted above.
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Old 05-25-2009, 12:10 AM
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Please consider watching these linked videos. Watch all of them: Sessions 1-6. This is exactly what I believe is happening. Chuck Missler has been one one my favorite Bible/prophesy teachers for years. He's really excellent. I believe he still uses KJV but he is not KJVO.

http://www.khouse.org/pages/special_...en_encounters/

Well OK, it's a total of 6 hours so watch or listen to sessions 3 or 4 if you don't have time for all 6!

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Old 05-25-2009, 11:41 PM
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There is a new series on the History Channel called UFO Hunters, it's a pretty straightforward documentary... they interview a lot of police officers, commercial pilots and military personnel... anyway, a few days ago they had some video footage on there taken over an airport that was REALLY strange... to me it sounds very similar to what Winman saw, if I can find it I will put up a link.
Brother Parrish, I know the tapes by Dr. Ruckman you have, I bet we both have the same set, or had, in my case. After listening to them Doc Pete had some conclusions that these things like water and have something to do with iron, he quoted a lot of sources like George Adamski that in my mind was a clear fake.

I watch UFO Hunters if it happens to be on TV when I'm in front of it, but like Ghost Hunters they seem to draw no real conclusions.

Grace and peace

Tony
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There is a new series on the History Channel called UFO Hunters, it's a pretty straightforward documentary... they interview a lot of police officers, commercial pilots and military personnel... anyway, a few days ago they had some video footage on there taken over an airport that was REALLY strange... to me it sounds very similar to what Winman saw, if I can find it I will put up a link.
I'm a police officer myself and have been for around 5 years. I know two other officers who claim that they have saw them. One was on duty somewhere around 15 years ago or so. He was in a rural area in Alabama and observed a black/charcoal metallic looking object that was around a mile in area and triangular in shape. He stated that it shown a bright light into his vehicle. The officer I currently work with was off duty one night on Alabama Highway 91 and saw a triangular shaped object giving off what I think he said was an orange-ish color. He pulled over and tried to take a picture off it with his phone camera but his phone would not work at all.
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I'm a police officer myself and have been for around 5 years. I know two other officers who claim that they have saw them. One was on duty somewhere around 15 years ago or so. He was in a rural area in Alabama and observed a black/charcoal metallic looking object that was around a mile in area and triangular in shape. He stated that it shown a bright light into his vehicle. The officer I currently work with was off duty one night on Alabama Highway 91 and saw a triangular shaped object giving off what I think he said was an orange-ish color. He pulled over and tried to take a picture off it with his phone camera but his phone would not work at all.
King, thank you very much... that is very interesting, I did not know your were a police officer. I'm trying to recall brother, did you give a detailed review here if the UFO which you saw in 2002, I may have missed that post...
 

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