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Boaz212,

In regards to Predestination. Study the context of the passages where the word predestinate and predestinated are used it is always applied to someone who is already saved. this would make them church doctrines. never is predestinated used in context for unbelievers. it is something applied only to person already in Christ

Rom 8:29, 30 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Eph 1:5, 11 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, . . . In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: