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Maybe you know something about Ruckman that I don't? I studied under him for 3 and a half years. Maybe I missed something? I don't know what kind of grace and peace I am supposed to receive after being indirectly associated with someone who you seem to mention in the same breath as murderers and nazis |
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Ruckman has flaws, I don't agree with him on everything; but Doc has done a lot of good, he has been a personal blessing to me and millions of Bible students, and he has stood for the KJV longer by far than most of his pesky critics on internet forums. |
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If nothing else I'm glad you were grounded in the inspiration of the KJV from PBI. I was educated at the Oregon District(5th Street in Dayton Ohio) Theological Seminary. One Saturday night in Oct. of 1988 I was with a group of people who tried to talk personally to Dr. Ruckman at Charity Baptist Church of "Dr." Greg Estep in Beavercreek Ohio regarding the corrupt Westcott/Hort text of the Bearing Precious Seed Spanish New Testament Of "Dr." Charles Keen(or Kean) of First Baptist Church of Milford Ohio that was being pawned off to many Baptist churches as "The KJV In Spanish!". I still have the BPS Spanish NT, it's word for word the text of the Reina-Valera of 1901, that follows the Westcott/Hort text. We were prevented from meeting with Dr. Ruckman because he refused to address the issue that he was wrong and failed to check out what he endorsed before endorsing it. I quote William of Occam: "Oops". We were prevented bodily from getting within proximity of Dr. Ruckman by "Dr." Estep and two young men who were bodybuilders, Ruckman's bodyguards. When I made the statement to the men and women with me that let's not waste anymore time and head for the street ministry, one of the young men made an obscene remark I won;t repeat for the sake of the women in this forum. I won't repeat it for the sake of the men, either. By Dr. Ruckman's fruits ye shall know them. On four occasions I wasa approached secretly by four men, PBI graduates and members of Charity Baptist, who told me they had examined the BPS NT and that we were "right" about it. I told them, kewl, come down on the street with us, let's win some souls to Christ this weekend. I was told four times by these four men, PBI graduates, blood-bought Christian men, "I h'ain;t witnessin' to no n****rs!" By Dr. Ruckman's fruits ye shall know them. Grace and peace Solomon, you need both. You also need to stop being a respecter of persons. Dr. Peter S. Ruckman has been in the ministry of reconciliation over 62 years now, is 89 years old, has macular degeneration, degenerative disk disease of the lumbar veterbre, has done much to champion the inspiration of the KJV, God's inspired words in English, and also wasn't nailed to a cross 2000 years ago for you or me. Tony |
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I respect Dr. Ruckman. Is it okay for me to do that, Tony?
It was a blessing to travel to MD two nights last month and hear him preach again. I forgot how funny he was when preaching. He preached "A Great Woman" and "W.A.T.C.H." to whom it may concern. |
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I believe Gen 9:24-27 to be somewhat misunderstood.
Gen 9:24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. 25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. 26 And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. 27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. I have been reading a series of articles that show that Shem, Ham, and Japheth represent the triune parts of a man, Shem represents the Spirit, Ham represents the Body, and Japheth represents the Soul. And history validates this. The Shemites have been responsible for the great religions such as Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. The Hamites have been responsible for practical technology and inventions, while the Japhethites have had a leading role in philosophy and science. Now these are general statements, but generally they are very true. As for Ham's descendents being servants, this is not altogether as terrible as it seems. The Lord himself said of servants; Mark 10:42 But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them. 43 But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister: 44 And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all. 45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many. So, the Lord Jesus himself exalted the role of the servant, as he was a servant himself. That said, being a servant is a very hard and difficult occupation. And the descendants of Ham in many respects have not enjoyed the fruits of their own labors. One of the articles I read showed the inventions that have benefitted all mankind that have come from the descendants of Ham. Look at this impressive list of accomplishments of the Hamitic peoples Quote:
And we even see the sons of Noah in the crucifixtion of Jesus. He was condemned to death by the Semites (Jews), his cross was carried by a Hamite; Matt 27:32 And as they came out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name: him they compelled to bear his cross. And Jesus was put to death by a Japhethite (Romans). So even in account we see the three sons of Noah, named in order of Shem, Ham, and Japheth as they always are. But Simon of Cyrene did not do evil here as the Jews and Romans did. He carried the cross, again, he was a servant. So, I think scripture does support this theory to a great degree. |
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Eph. 6:8 Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free. 9 And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him. Col 4:1 Masters, give unto your servants that which is just and equal; knowing that ye also have a Master in heaven. No curse to be a servant was placed on "the descendants of Ham", the curse was on Canaan's descendants, that they would serve the children of Israel, and the prophecy never came to pass, instead of making the Canaanites servants, Israel adopted their culture and religion. It never ceases to amaze me that folks stand united when it comes to the Deity of Christ, His sacrifice for sins, the inspiration and primacy of the King James Bible, and when the topic of dispensational truth, the errors of denominational traditions, and the true place of the Negro race in the scheme of things, then people are stricken just as dumb as a sack of untuned banjos. Grace and peace friends Tony |
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Call me esoteric if you will but I believe the Bible is simple enough for a child to understand but so deep that I believe we will study it for all eternity without plumbing the depths of it.
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Brother Winman,
I think your post has a very interesting perspective. S-H-J representing the triune parts of man, and Christ as a man becoming a servant thus identifying Himself with those in the most humble circumstances, even that of Canaan, Ham's youngest son. I wouldn't be surprised if all three lines were represented at the cross as you propose. There was a large Jewish settlement in Cyrene and Simon was probably a Jew come to Jerusalem for the Passover but still, I think there is something there. There are Ethiopian and other non-European Jews living in Israel today. Proverbs 17:2 A wise servant shall have rule over a son that causeth shame, and shall have part of the inheritance among the brethren. Jennifer Last edited by greenbear; 07-10-2009 at 09:05 PM. |
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As I mentioned on another thread, Brother Ruckman is still preaching with great power, truth and yes—humor! If you have never heard Dr. Ruckman preach a sermon in person, rattling off huge portions of scripture from memory while creating one of his 8 foot long full color chalk drawings YOU ARE MISSING A GREAT BLESSING. I have never heard a man teach the Bible like Bro. Ruckman, he has stood as a warrior for the KJV (with no apologies to any scholar or school) longer than many have been alive, and he's been a great blessing to me over the years. In my experience, when Ruckman preaches he captures the entire audience no matter the age, every person in the building is absolutely enthralled by the message from God's Word, it's peculiar—he delivers the message with authority like only a small handful of men I have seen over the years. He is getting old but still looks great, and with his hand to hand combat training I'm sure he could easily kill me with a spoon or his finger nail. If you have to travel a little and get a hotel room to hear him preach, do it... it's worth it. I encourage everyone to experience some of his services in person before Dr. Pete goes home to be with the Lord... here is his schedule: July 11-12, 2009 Atauga Heights Baptist Church 1393 Highway 31-N Prattville, AL 36067 Pastor Mike Matheny (334) 322-3222 August 7-9, 2009 Bible Believer's Baptist Church 3857 Hartley Road Jacksonville, FL 32223 Pastor David Peacock (904) 260-8370 |
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