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Old 12-23-2008, 07:25 PM
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Aloha brother,

I will say this though - Hawaii is known for its "Aloha", and, so far, the folks I have run into here are both more courteous and considerate than even those in Hawaii.
You'll find that to be even more prevalent the closer you get to the great state of Texas.

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Brother George wrote: The Apostle Paul has put the issue in perspective for Bible believing Christians:
Acts 25:10 Then said Paul, I stand at Caesar's judgment seat, where I ought to be judged: to the Jews have I done no wrong, as thou very well knowest.

11 For if I be an offender, or have committed any thing worthy of death, I refuse not to die: but if there be none of these things whereof these accuse me, no man may deliver me unto them. I appeal unto Caesar.
Paul stated that: There are offenses that are "worthy of death", and if he were guilty of any of those offenses, he would "refuse not to die"!

So the Bible is real clear about "Capital Punishment" (with "safeguards") BEFORE the Law; DURING the Law; BEFORE Calvary; and AFTER Calvary. There are OFFENSES worthy of death! Murder being the foremost - but there are others also.
I wonder where that places abortion?
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Old 12-23-2008, 08:43 PM
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Ac*22:4 And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women.


Doesn't this verse here make this issue a little more complicated?

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Old 12-23-2008, 08:59 PM
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I believe, for reasons that have been precisely stated in this thread, that capital punishment is Biblical. There's no doubt about it in my mind, and I would not oppose it, except in cases of mistaken guilt which were glaringly egregious. In principle, I would never oppose it.

However, in my country, the criminal justice system is a monstosity and an abortion of "justice." Innocent men are imprisoned (and, presumably, executed, although rarely), while malefactors run free. I have nothing but contempt for the United States Department of Justice, whether administered by Democrats or Republicans. A Republican administration gave us Ruby Ridge; a Democratic administration gave us Waco and Elian Gonzalez. But that's getting a bit far afield....

The bottom line is Romans 13. If the early Christians could submit to Nero, I can submit to Bush and Obama. And that includes accepting the Biblical principle of capital punishment, even when imperfectly administered.
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Old 12-24-2008, 10:31 AM
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I will say this though - Hawaii is known for its "Aloha",...
When is this "aloha" greeting going to be changed to, oh say, "howdy!?!"
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Old 12-24-2008, 10:50 AM
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So the Bible is real clear about "Capital Punishment" (with "safeguards") BEFORE the Law; DURING the Law; BEFORE Calvary; and AFTER Calvary. There are OFFENSES worthy of death! Murder being the foremost - but there are others also.
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I wonder where that places abortion?
Simple: since the vast majority of Abortions are pre-meditated murder for hire, I think the doctors who have abandoned their Hippocratic Oath to perform them should be subject to a fair trial and capital punishment. Of course, until the law changes that won't happen, but personally I would have no problem with the state "pulling the switch" on Tiller the Killer, who by his own count, has performed over sixty-thousand abortions, more here:
http://www.dr-tiller.com/
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Old 12-24-2008, 11:23 AM
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Again, a waste of time and resources, If the death penalty were to be worth while, we woold not have to spend so much money on it. The thought of being put to sleep like an animal is not very intimidatiing.
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Old 12-24-2008, 11:55 AM
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When is this "aloha" greeting going to be changed to, oh say, "howdy!?!"
I like the "aloha" thing! It makes me feel real tropical!

In fact, I'm hoping to get a grass skirt for Christmas. My hula prowess is widely known....

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Old 12-24-2008, 01:18 PM
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When is this "aloha" greeting going to be changed to, oh say, "howdy!?!"
You could do what I do. Aloha y'all!
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Old 12-24-2008, 01:39 PM
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"I believe, for reasons that have been precisely stated in this thread, that capital punishment is Biblical. There's no doubt about it in my mind, and I would not oppose it, except in cases of mistaken guilt which were glaringly egregious. In principle, I would never oppose it.

However, in my country, the criminal justice system is a monstrosity and an abortion of "justice." Innocent men are imprisoned (and, presumably, executed, although rarely), while malefactors run free. I have nothing but contempt for the United States Department of Justice, whether administered by Democrats or Republicans. A Republican administration gave us Ruby Ridge; a Democratic administration gave us Waco and Elian Gonzalez. But that's getting a bit far afield....

The bottom line is Romans 13. If the early Christians could submit to Nero, I can submit to Bush and Obama. And that includes accepting the Biblical principle of capital punishment, even when imperfectly administered."
Aloha brother VR,

I'm with you 100% on your comments.

With the SUBSTITUTION of Humanistic (read Psychiatric and Psychological) principles and precepts (since the early 1900's) for Biblical principles and precepts that were the basis for most of the Law in America (from its founding to the the "War between the States"), "Justice" has become a joke and a farce in our Judicial System!

I do not look for it to get "any better" soon. I believe that the U.S.A. is in such moral and spiritual decline, that only God's intervention can prevent us from joining all of the nations that have preceded us - on the "Trash Heap" of History.

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"Again, a waste of time and resources, If the death penalty were to be worth while, we would not have to spend so much money on it. The thought of being put to sleep like an animal is not very intimidating."
Whether it is: "a waste of time and resources" is besides the point brother. God's word teaches that the "death penalty" for certain heinous crimes is not only "appropriate", but necessary (that is according to the Scriptures). If the death penalty were to be used appropriately (with Scriptural "safeguards"), it would DETER CRIME!

Ecclesiastes 8:11 Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.

The problem in the U.S.A. is we have made a mockery of swift justice and so we suffer from those criminals and miscreants who have learned to "use" the system for their advantage.

It's not that the "death penalty" is a "waste of time" - it's that we no longer apply it according to Scriptural precepts and principles, and so we suffer from some of the most violent criminals in the world, who sometimes "get away with murder" and use the system to further their wicked and evil ways.

Failure to follow the words of God always leads to chaos, confusion, and anarchy.

1 Corinthians 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.

Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

The above verses apply to nations also:


Psalms 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.
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Old 12-24-2008, 02:11 PM
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I do not look for it to get "any better" soon. I believe that the U.S.A. is in such moral and spiritual decline, that only God's intervention can prevent us from joining all of the nations that have preceded us - on the "Trash Heap" of History.
Revelation 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
 

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