[Traditional Anglican]

Originally Posted by PB1789

Traditional Anglican:--- I'd expect this post from one of the many arminians on this site but... you as a Reformed Episcopalian ARE a Calvinist!

Open up the The Book of Common Prayer and read the Articles of Religion.

Almighty God chooses us--- We don't choose Him. {see Jacab and Esau}

We are born Sinners and only God's Unmerited Favor can keep us from the Pit.

All humans are Born Dead---> Not just sick,,, but DEAD! Only The Lord God can give us life!

There are different "schools" in reformed thinking. The Geneva/Calvinist is the MOST extreme! In response to your little shot that Anglicans are Calvinist, buzzzz, wrong! The Anglican Body is VERY old, older than Calvin, the REFORMED designation in my branch, Reformed Episcopal, is in fact the LEAST extreme form of Reformed thinking, we do NOT use "5 points" we teach there IS a cooperation in regard to salvation, yes we do teach the Holy Spirit must touch a fallen man before he can accept and understand the Gospel, (the idea of the Gospel in a vacuum void of the Holy Ghost is absurd. Even Classical Arminians accept this!) If you meet an Anglican who teaches a regeneration in which faith is VOID, you are talking to one who is NOT in step with the Church and one who is NOT CORRECT in their understanding of the 39 Articles.....(Most HARD CORE 5 Point Calvinist, DO NOT EVEN LIKE US/the Classical Anglicans) they HATE the fact in History that BOTH Queen Elizabeth and King James shunned the extreme teachings of the Puritans/Presbyterians! One FINAL word about your insult about my Church, I AM A CONVERT FROM AN EXTREME PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH BODY....I CONVERTED BECAUSE IT WAS NOT BIBLICAL.....I THINK I might know what I am talking about. Blessings.

[stephanos]

Originally Posted by Traditional Anglican

There are different "schools" in reformed thinking. The Geneva/Calvinist is the MOST extreme! In response to your little shot that Anglicans are Calvinist, buzzzz, wrong! The Anglican Body is VERY old, older than Calvin, the REFORMED designation in my branch, Reformed Episcopal, is in fact the LEAST extreme form of Reformed thinking, we do NOT use "5 points" we teach there IS a cooperation in regard to salvation, yes we do teach the Holy Spirit must touch a fallen man before he can accept and understand the Gospel, (the idea of the Gospel in a vacuum void of the Holy Ghost is absurd. Even Classical Arminians accept this!) If you meet an Anglican who teaches a regeneration in which faith is VOID, you are talking to one who is NOT in step with the Church and one who is NOT CORRECT in their understanding of the 39 Articles.....(Most HARD CORE 5 Point Calvinist, DO NOT EVEN LIKE US/the Classical Anglicans) they HATE the fact in History that BOTH Queen Elizabeth and King James shunned the extreme teachings of the Puritans/Presbyterians! One FINAL word about your insult about my Church, I AM A CONVERT FROM AN EXTREME PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH BODY....I CONVERTED BECAUSE IT WAS NOT BIBLICAL.....I THINK I might know what I am talking about. Blessings.

Yeah I agree with you here on the part about the Holy Ghost's touching. I can still remember feeling like the scales fell from my eyes, and afterwards praying to the Lord Jesus for forgiveness and telling Him that I would no longer fight Him anymore, but rather simply believe and trust in Him alone. But what this shows to me is that I had a choice, to either heed the call or ignore it and continue in ignorance and sin. I also do believe that this call reaches ALL men.

And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. (John 12:32 KJV)

(man I have a hard time reading John sometimes without crying. I'm still so in love with Jesus!)

Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. (Romans 5:18 KJV)

I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. (1 Timothy 2:1-6 KJV)

And the knock out blow:

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, (Titus 2:11 KJV)

Much Love in Christ Jesus,
Stephen