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Old 12-13-2008, 08:29 PM
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I have studied and researched what bible version to trust for quite some time now. What I have discovered is nothing more that confusion on top of more confusion. No matter how much I search, or how close I think I am to the truth, there is always something present to contradict what is there. I had thought the 1611 king james bible would be the one, however, it contains the "Apocrypha" which is not considered to be devinely inspired, and even considered evil by some due to the referencing of being able to pay your way out of sin:

"Ecclesiasticus 3:30, Water will quench a flaming fire, and alms maketh atonement for sin.

Tobit 12:8-9, 17, It is better to give alms than to lay up gold; for alms doth deliver from death, and shall purge away all sin."

I dont believe the "Apocrypha" was ever in the original manuscripts, because the apocryphal books were never acknowledged as sacred scriptures by the Jews, custodians of the Hebrew scriptures (the apocrypha was written prior to the New Testament). In fact, the Jewish people rejected and destroyed the apocrypha after the overthow of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.

To make this as short as I can, somewhere, one king james version contains the truth. But the battle for which one is the question I feel we may never have the answer. The reason for this is, anytime you find data, history, or even professed experts on theology, there is always others of equal stature and/or historical value proving otherwise. It is even found in this forum by the disagreement on which version is the best. Time and evil has corrupted many things to include Gods Holy Word & my search for the truth will be everlasting until the end of my time.
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Old 12-14-2008, 05:02 PM
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I have studied and researched what bible version to trust for quite some time now. What I have discovered is nothing more that confusion on top of more confusion. No matter how much I search, or how close I think I am to the truth, there is always something present to contradict what is there. I had thought the 1611 king james bible would be the one, however, it contains the "Apocrypha" which is not considered to be devinely inspired, and even considered evil by some due to the referencing of being able to pay your way out of sin:

"Ecclesiasticus 3:30, Water will quench a flaming fire, and alms maketh atonement for sin.

Tobit 12:8-9, 17, It is better to give alms than to lay up gold; for alms doth deliver from death, and shall purge away all sin."

I dont believe the "Apocrypha" was ever in the original manuscripts, because the apocryphal books were never acknowledged as sacred scriptures by the Jews, custodians of the Hebrew scriptures (the apocrypha was written prior to the New Testament). In fact, the Jewish people rejected and destroyed the apocrypha after the overthow of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.
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Hi ilusionznc,
The Apocrypha is not scriptures even to the 1611 Translators, but the Apocrypha was considered of much Christian worth for extra reading in those days, also the pressure being from a background of the Catholic past and mindset playing a roll there as well.
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To make this as short as I can, somewhere, one king james version contains the truth. But the battle for which one is the question I feel we may never have the answer. The reason for this is, anytime you find data, history, or even professed experts on theology, there is always others of equal stature and/or historical value proving otherwise. It is even found in this forum by the disagreement on which version is the best. Time and evil has corrupted many things to include Gods Holy Word & my search for the truth will be everlasting until the end of my time.
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Eventually all King James Bible folk will come aboard.
Once this move of unity happens, as it must, if God is to get the glory; Once this move of unity happens, much good will come, as the word goes out in the power of the Holy Ghost and the Christian is gladly being obedient to the call of God upon his or her life.
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Old 12-14-2008, 07:47 PM
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I have studied and researched what bible version to trust for quite some time now. What I have discovered is nothing more that confusion on top of more confusion.
Well clearly, are studying in the wrong places, or perhaps you do not know God, because God is not the author of confusion. I figure with one post, you're either a troll (like several others who have popped up lately) or someone who honestly can be helped by this forum. Time will tell, I hope it's the latter...
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Old 12-14-2008, 09:07 PM
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I never once said God was the "author" of confusion, on the contrary, I believe satan is that culprit. I said what "I" have discovered was confusion on top of more confusion. I agree that maybe I am studying and researching in the wrong places, but you have to start somewhere in the search for the truth. I agree with PeterAV about the catholic mindset concerning the Apocrypha.

As for the response from "Bro. Parrish", I would be very careful in the choice of words you choose for people. You have no idea what my relationship to God is. And to even suggest I might not even know God is extremely judgmental on your part, and "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again". And to refer to someone as even a possible "troll" is malicious and hateful. The Lord Jesus commanded us to love thy neighbor as thyself.

I have a relationship with God. And I pray to Him everyday! And you best believe He is with me every step of the way, even if I dont find the best translation of the bible. My trust is in the Lord. But, if that is the kind of responses I can expect in this forum, then it was a mistake to ever sign up here. My heart honestly hurts to know you could have even said such a thing, because it doesnt sound like something a christian should say.

Nevertheless, your forgiven. And to PeterAV, thank you very much, I will look into the pure cambridge edition, and I appreciate your heartfelt response. Had I not been sincere in seeking the truth, I would never have signed up here to begin with.
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Old 12-14-2008, 09:32 PM
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First off, a person has to decide whether they want the truth, or whether they want their own way. God has given people what they wanted before (1 Kings 22:19-23), and if a person is not completely sincere in their desire to find the truth, they'll find exactly what they want to find.

One must also decide to trust God, and take Him at His word. He made more promises about His word than any other thing in the Book; it may sound like circular reasoning to believe the Bible because the Bible says that the Bible is right, but the element that changes the entire equation is faith. The people that don't believe that God preserved His words in one Book don't apply faith in God Himself and His ability to work through fallible man to accomplish what He promised.

When a person gets to the point where they seriously WANT the truth, and they BELIEVE God and what He said about His words, then the rest is easy. Spend some time on this forum, feel free to ask questions, and above all, search the Scriptures. Get e-Sword (or if you're Saved, get MacSword ) and use it to search the Book for yourself. There is nothing more powerful than the built-in definition and cross-reference system in the King James Bible; there is nothing like it in the world.

God bless, and I hope that you will accept help from people who have been where you are and have been utterly convinced, beyond all doubt, reasonable or not, that the King James Bible is God's perfect, pure, preserved and inerrant word, given by inspiration of God.
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Old 12-14-2008, 10:06 PM
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illusionznc:---- { oops; you posted a reply while I was composing mine..}

PeterAV gave you a couple of good answers above. If you have a question about the AV-1611 and the Apocrypha, then click over to the Section titled "Doctrine"---> Thread titled-----> "The Apocrypha". Scroll down to post #6 by Traditional Anglican and read what he posted. It's a good response. There is interesting historical information found in 1&2 Maccabees---which takes place during the "400 Silent Years".

I have a Oxford AV in paperback by Oxford Pubs. [ISBN # 0192835254] It has the Apocrypha in it, and that is why I ordered it... just to able to consult it when a Roman Catholic poster on another website likes to challenge me about Scripture/History/Tradition/Theology. It was never part of the Hebrew Canon (Measuring Stick). It was not viewed by the Anglicans as Canonical, but historical. Much of this information can easily be read by you on this information super-highway called "The internet"--- Try Wikipedia.

If you truly don't know--- almost all of us on this website read from a 1769 A.V. rather than the 1611. There were spelling updates, and typeset things ( like ss and ff ) and the 1769 does not hold the Apocrypha. Therefore--- Break open the tried and true AV/KJV 1769 and start reading at Genesis 1:1 .

BTW--- Your statement that because the AV-1611 contained the Apocrypha and it mentioned giving alms...and since alms are an "R.C". idea--- that would keep you from a Bible translation...

...would be akin to you refusing medical care at the Hospital Emergency Room if you are bleeding/choking... because your Grandma/Grandpa died at that Hospital 10 years ago... due to cancer/TB/diabetes.

P.S. Just read your new post above after posting my first Draft/Post--- I thought you were a spy/trouble maker from an NIV/Modernist mindset. There have been a couple here in the last 2 weeks.

I would suggest that if there is a Thrift Store/Used Book Store/Book store with used books, or a "Friends of the Library" sale that you browse and pick up one and see how the font and size works for you... There is a nice Oxford leather one which (I think) was called the Long Primer reference edition? (maybe) It was puurrfect in the hands and the printing was readable. Shop around.

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Old 12-14-2008, 10:19 PM
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I havent been sent to this website by anyone. I came here because I came across a link to it from searching other websites about the Authorized Version of 1611. My main concern is not with the Apocrypha at the moment, but true doctrine and scripture and what edition I can find it in. I'm not a one post wonder like your judging me as. And I definately wasnt sent by some publishing company. I drive a truck for an environmental company picking up hazardous and non hazardous waste and delivering it to disposal facilities. But if I am not welcome here, I can certainly go elsewhere where I will be welcome.

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Old 12-14-2008, 10:40 PM
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Illusionist, don't fret too much.

I'm not of the the KJV mentality, and I've posted here several times in a sincere manner, with sincere questions. Mostly, I get sincere, albeit FIRM, responses.

Just be sincere, and you'll be tolerated. I'm not saying you'll find it a smooth road, but you'll find your answers. Mostly good brethern here, from what I've seen.
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Old 12-14-2008, 10:48 PM
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I havent been sent to this website by anyone. I came here because I came across a link to it from searching other websites about the Authorized Version of 1611. My main concern is not with the Apocrypha at the moment, but true doctrine and scripture and what edition I can find it in. I'm not a one post wonder like your judging me as. And I definately wasnt sent by some publishing company. I drive a truck for an environmental company picking up hazardous and non hazardous waste and delivering it to disposal facilities. But if I am not welcome here, I can certainly go elsewhere where I will be welcome.

Aloha illusionznc,

If some people on this Forum seem to be a bit "touchy" it's just because we have had several "troublemakers" join the Forum lately and we may be a wee bit "jumpy".

Please stick around for awhile and browse through the many fine "Threads" and "Posts" dealing with practically anything of importance to a Christian.

If you care to - I have posted a few essays about the Bible on the Forum that you might want to check out:

http://av1611.com/forums/showpost.ph...19&postcount=1
http://av1611.com/forums/showpost.ph...78&postcount=1

These two Threads may help you in your search for the truth. Stay awhile, you may actually get to like some of us.
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Thank you for the references. I will definately read them. As for people on the forums being touchy or jumpy, I can certainly understand. It does not excuse us however from scripture. I believe the Lord tells us to be quick to listen and slow to speak or anger. Like my Heavenly Father freely forgives me, I also freely forgive them. I will not however, remain in the company of a person or persons or a website where I am verbally abused.

With that said, I hope we can enjoy the congregation of one anothers company and continuous worship of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen.
 

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