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Old 05-10-2009, 02:24 PM
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1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

You hit the nail right on the head right there. Because they try to understand the scriptures through scholarship, instead of through faith and the Spirit of God, they are blinded and cannot understand.

1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

These folks got it all backwards. They want us to provide proof before they will believe, but the Bible says you must first believe before you can receive the things of the Spirit of God.
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Old 05-10-2009, 03:05 PM
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Yes Brother, I find it quite frightening how many will happily correct the Bible. Maybe these men believe that they are somehow amplifying Gods words, or expounding them, but they are unwise and deceived in their own conceit.
Every Major revival within the last 400 years has been through the KJB not from "The Greek" in fact God has used the KJB more than any other Bible in any other language.... period. The last revival from expounding the greek probably dates back to the 1st century which just strengthens my hold on the KJB as Gods preserved word for us ...today. The "Greek" does not belong in the pulpit.

But enough of them really, by carrying on we are only giving them stage space, lets get back to the edification of the Brethren through Gods word and ignore the "show offs".

1 Timothy 4:6-7 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained. But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.
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I hope some of you make your way over there to have a discussion bathed in truth and seasoned with salt.
Yes brother, the same salt Christ gave the moneylenders in the Temple, the generation of vipers known as Pharisees, Paul's salt to Hymenaeus, Alexander, Demas, the demon possessed girl of Acts 16, the Jews of Acts 28, the same salt I give any self-appointed holy ghost who would encompass heaven and earth to destroy the faith of any young person called to preach and teach the word of God, to make themselves Satan as Peter was to Christ in Matt. 16 and Mark 8. I don't go bearing olive branches and doves, but a sword, and they better be at least as Scripturally knowledgeable as the gift I begged God for. I sat in classrooms and saw a school replace God as the Authority on the Scriptures.

I don't know what all the responses in this forum has been to you as I have not followed every message you posted. I don't speak for everyone here, but from what I have seen I alone have accepted, even where we may disagree, you as sincere Tim and if I have said anything unbecoming to you, I apologize. But in my dealings with the self-appointed holy ghosts whom I do not accept 90 percent of them as being either sincere and honest, and where you follow along with me outside this forum in dealing with these Frauds, you will need the air conditioning turned up because hell has come to breakfast.

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Old 05-10-2009, 11:55 PM
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1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

You hit the nail right on the head right there. Because they try to understand the scriptures through scholarship, instead of through faith and the Spirit of God, they are blinded and cannot understand.

1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

These folks got it all backwards. They want us to provide proof before they will believe, but the Bible says you must first believe before you can receive the things of the Spirit of God.
When you take God's word, that Peter said was incorruptible, and try and judge it by evolutionary methods, you get Barry, FFF, and Catholic Churches.

Grace and peace Win

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Old 05-11-2009, 12:18 AM
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Yes Brother, I find it quite frightening how many will happily correct the Bible. Maybe these men believe that they are somehow amplifying Gods words, or expounding them, but they are unwise and deceived in their own conceit.
Every Major revival within the last 400 years has been through the KJB not from "The Greek" in fact God has used the KJB more than any other Bible in any other language.... period. The last revival from expounding the greek probably dates back to the 1st century which just strengthens my hold on the KJB as Gods preserved word for us ...today. The "Greek" does not belong in the pulpit.

But enough of them really, by carrying on we are only giving them stage space, lets get back to the edification of the Brethren through Gods word and ignore the "show offs".

1 Timothy 4:6-7 If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained. But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.
What does revival mean to Karl Barth while writing 40 years of gibberish while having an affair with his secretary? What does revival mean to Sword Of The Lord, if the revival is without their instigation and book tables? What is revival to James White, Doug Kutilek, Dave Hunt, Hal Lindsay, Daniel Wallace, or any other mercenary? You ever read any Frederick Forsythe, Steve? You know a mercenary will change his allegiance in the middle of a battle if the salary of the other side is better? Just like Gary Hudson and all the rest of the "ex-Ruckmanites" and "former KJVOs". They can't go on and preach Christ, or try to, from their "new" version but are like hardcore UFO enthusiasts: Nearly 99 percent of all "scientific" UFO investigators eventually wander off into the occult. Thus all the "formers" become Inquisitioners rather than edifiers.

So as far as my "ministry" goes they'll get a taste of their own medicine from a source they can't refute, but only undermine: The Scriptures. They are not the ones God wants, God wants the millions sitting on the sidelines watching and listening. The Frauds are in the same boat with Demas as far as I am concerned.

I've sat in classrooms and saw a school replace God as the Authority on the Scriptures with itself.

nu-epithants and Granville-Sharp means nothing to me, David Brainerd coughing his lungs up at the age of 26 witnessing to American Indians mean something to me.

Grace and peace to you brother, you have a good week.

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Old 05-11-2009, 04:36 AM
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Hey Brother

I am certainly resting assured that we have Brothers like yourself on the forum, Bibleprotector, Brandon, George, Will Kinney etc (don't feel left out if I never mentioned you, there are many that know a vast amount) who have some knowledge on these matters, I am new to manuscripts, history of texts, scribes, scholars and theologians from the 1st century until present but I know they all point to one Book and I have that on my lap.
I read Gary Hudson's 40 "unanswerable" questions and I also read the refutation of them which I thank the Lord for, these men come along and try and cast doubt, correct and malign those who Believe in one Book and the Book itself. I know from my point of view, If I was indeed blessed with a higher IQ I would spend my God given time in scripture and looking for evidence FOR the Bible, not against it.
God Bless those that have chosen this path, that God has given wisdom so his words can be Defended, not doubted.

Romans 12:14 Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.
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Old 05-12-2009, 09:22 PM
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I think I'd recommend against the FFF. I've had civil discussions with people in their Bible Versions section, (yes, there are some over there who act Christlike), but regardless, it's all been fruitless. There has been no profit in it, at least for me. It's become to me mostly vain jangling. It wasn't what I'd call "edifying" by far, although I enjoyed talking with a few people.
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Hey Brother

I am certainly resting assured that we have Brothers like yourself on the forum, Bibleprotector, Brandon, George, Will Kinney etc (don't feel left out if I never mentioned you, there are many that know a vast amount) who have some knowledge on these matters, I am new to manuscripts, history of texts, scribes, scholars and theologians from the 1st century until present but I know they all point to one Book and I have that on my lap.
I read Gary Hudson's 40 "unanswerable" questions and I also read the refutation of them which I thank the Lord for, these men come along and try and cast doubt, correct and malign those who Believe in one Book and the Book itself. I know from my point of view, If I was indeed blessed with a higher IQ I would spend my God given time in scripture and looking for evidence FOR the Bible, not against it.
God Bless those that have chosen this path, that God has given wisdom so his words can be Defended, not doubted.

Romans 12:14 Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.
I see nothing wrong with your IQ my friend. Faith and devotion is not based on IQ. I see men with 160 IQs are dumber that a sack of banjos Scripturally.

Grace and peace

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Old 05-12-2009, 10:26 PM
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I think I'd recommend against the FFF. I've had civil discussions with people in their Bible Versions section, (yes, there are some over there who act Christlike), but regardless, it's all been fruitless. There has been no profit in it, at least for me. It's become to me mostly vain jangling. It wasn't what I'd call "edifying" by far, although I enjoyed talking with a few people.
Brother, I don't recommend everyone do things I do or have done. You don;t write for the people in the FFF forum, you write for the observers.

Grace and peace Paul

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Old 05-13-2009, 05:08 AM
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I see nothing wrong with your IQ my friend. Faith and devotion is not based on IQ. I see men with 160 IQs are dumber that a sack of banjos Scripturally.

Grace and peace

Tony

Hey Brother Tony, thanks for that. But what I also meant by that statement is that of course we don't NEED a high IQ to be spiritually discerned, the simplest of minds can be used for Gods glory through his Holy written word. Solomon was blessed with wisdom no man has ever matched or ever will, but what was his final position with God before he died? He led Israel into Idolatry, his wisdom made him "worldly" and his heart was turned away from God by his wives.

1 Kings 4:29 And God gave Solomon wisdom and understanding exceeding much, and largeness of heart, even as the sand that is on the sea shore.

1 Kings 10:23 So king Solomon exceeded all the kings of the earth for riches and for wisdom.

God Gives him wisdom beyond measure of any man that was to walk the earth (except the Lord Jesus Christ)

Proverbs 1:2 To know wisdom and instruction; to perceive the words of understanding;

He acknowledges and exclaims! That God is the one behind his wisdom

Proverbs 2:6 For the LORD giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding.

Proverbs 2:7 He layeth up sound wisdom for the righteous: he is a buckler to them that walk uprightly.

Solomon also realises that to gain wisdom, a healthy FEAR of the Lord must be understood

Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Proverbs 15:33 The fear of the LORD is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility.

My point is this
Solomon IN ALL HIS WISDOM ended his days with his heart "turned unto other gods" and before a righteous God, his heart was NOT perfect.

1 Kings 11:4 For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.

Whats a sad picture that is, this man, blessed with so much wisdom and understanding it turned him AWAY from God. Now I truly do believe that Solomon was of course saved, we only have to read Ecclesiastes which is a beautiful book, but his "wisdom" was his downfall. The end of the Book of Ecclesiastes reads.... (Bold emphasis)

Ecclesiastes 12:8-14 Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher; all is vanity. And moreover, because the preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge; yea, he gave good heed, and sought out, and set in order many proverbs. The preacher sought to find out acceptable words: and that which was written was upright, even words of truth. The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd. And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh. Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

 

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