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I agree Amanda
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The fact that Joseph kept clear of his master’s wife just goes to show that God recognises the sanctity of marriage regardless of their profession of faith (e.g. Herod –Herodias). One of the things that I find is a growing trend today is where a married person joins a church and convinces themself that their marriage is not really a valid thing in God’s eyes because they don’t recognise God’s stamp of approval over their life before His intervention. Some even argue that their “new slate” is like a new form of singleness and the fact that they are a new creation sort of annuls their previous connections to free them for a more suitable partner. Thus they convince themselves that if one of them believes and the other doesn’t (in their existing marriage), then they can free themselves from their unequal yoke and find someone who is spiritually compatible. This exactly what Paul was speaking against in 1 Corinthians 7 in his attempt to protect the sanctity of marriage. I have had different people come to me in the past and “profess” – yes “profess” their adultery in a way that suggests that God has lead them into their newly found relationship! Normally, what they tend to do is – fall for someone – go missing for a while – split up from their spouse – move in with their new partner and once their adultery is established they want to come back into the church and convince everyone that they have repented. My question is – where is the repentance? – that to me, is like robbing a bank, saying I’m sorry and keeping the money. When we start shoe horning exceptions into the clear words of Scripture we can justify anything. I don’t accept that time brushes sin under the carpet and makes everything alright again – but how shocking it is that the real criminal is the one who would dare to speak out against the sin of adultery. God bless PaulB |
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What I don't understand is- when a divorced couple enter into adulterous relationships (remarriage) is it the Lord's will for them to leave those relationships and either remarry (or remain separated) to/from their "original" spouse? It's disturbing to think about the what happens to the children from this adulterous relationship.
Or does God forgive and sanctify (in the case of believers) the second "marriage"? John 4:18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly. Christ seems to recognize five husbands. (I'm assuming she wasn't widowed 5 times.) |
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Bro. Paul I wasn't exactly agreeing, but rather trying to understand the position.
My position on this topic is found in I Corinthians 7:27-28: Quote:
Pretty clear to me. |
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Amanda
Hi Amanda – I’m so sorry, I misread your sentence!
Instead of reading “Is it a sin to remarry even if you've divorced over adultery?” – I read – It is a sin to remarry even if you've divorced over adultery!” Concerning your response to my post - I think that Paul is referring back to the unmarried rather than the loosed in V28 (as the overall context does seem to imply that it is better to remain single rather than to marry) as such will have trouble – as the single are free to serve only one master. I don’t believe that he is endorsing re-marriage but rather urging people to remain as they are – (i.e. if single, then stay like that – if married then stay like that). But if a person decides to go head and get married he/she has not sinned (as they probably would have thought that they were going against what he was teaching as an apostle). He wasn’t speaking against marriage as some of the may have been thinking but rather encouraging them to remain in their present state. This fits perfectly in the context of what our Lord Himself taught on the same subject: Mt.5:31 “It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.” Hope this helps God bless PaulB |
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Except for the cause of fornication, a husband who puts away his wife causes both her and the man she marries to commit adultery against him.
Matthew 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. And if that man remarries he commits adultery against her. Mark 10:4 And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away. Mark 10:11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. Marriage for born again believers isn't a carry over from the Law given to Israel but it was given to man and woman from the beginning. Mark 10:5-9 And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife; And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. I believe the institution of marriage can only be perfectly honored by born again believers, it is for us a type of Christ and His body the church. I believe Jesus tells us there are no grounds for christians to divorce. Paul makes clear that if an unbelieving spouse leaves a believer then the believer is free to remarry in the Lord. Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. Many unbelievers pass from death unto life well into adulthood after a lifetime of sin, including multiple marriages. My understanding is that Paul is telling us that all of our sins are forgiven when we become new creatures in Christ. No matter if we're married to our umpteenth spouse when we're saved, that is our present circumstance and we should not seek to put away that spouse. I'm not sure if a person comes to the Lord as a divorced person that is not remarried that he/she is free to remarry. It seems to me Paul is saying that. 1 Corinthians 7:24 Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God. 1 Corinthians 7:27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife. 1 Corinthians 7:28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you. My husband and I came to Christ before we met, well into adulthood, and neither of us had been married before only by the grace of God. But there are many, many brothers and sisters that have divorced and remarried before and even after becoming believers. In either case, the question is: are they living under a continual curse, are their children bastards, or is there forgiveness and provision made by God for the hardness of our hearts? Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. These are very real issues for a lot of christians. I don't know the answer because God hasn't revealed it to me. |
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I am sorry if it appeared I was disagreeing with you. Except for the cause of fornication, a husband who puts away his wife causes both her and the man she marries to commit adultery against him. Quote:
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Amanda, that's good. I agree with his comparison to murder; divorce is not something that can always be "taken back". It can be permanent loss like murder. They are sins, but they are not a 'state of sin" in which you continue after you are forgiven (when are we not?). Like PaulB brought out, many christians don't even recognize it as sin and apparently never acknowledge their transgression to God or to their brethren. Paul says we will have trouble in the flesh. I believe there are usually or always? consequences to our sin although there is no condemnation. Thank you for sharing that.
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