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Re: "Sam Gipp's degree"
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Aloha brother, I am not going to "pile on" you, since several brothers have already "reproved" you. I will say this though - don't lose your love for the Holy word of God or your contempt for Bible correctors (or deniers). What you need to do is learn to "temper" your speech (somewhat). Quote:
I am particularly "hard" on these men, but I won't call them "devils", or "silly asses", etc. (that's "name-calling" for the sake of "ridicule"). On the other hand, if after a while, they "prove" themselves (by their own "words" and "deeds") to be Bible "correctors", Bible "deniers", "Humanists", "Sophists", or indeed "wolves in sheep's clothing", I do not hesitate to call them what I believe they are. Today's PC (Humanist) "Culture" frowns on this sort of behavior, (unless it's in reference to Bible believers!) but I am not supposed to "conform" to the world's standards (i.e. Humanism), I am supposed to be "transformed" and be like the Lord Jesus Christ (a Christian); and I am to follow the Apostle Paul [1 Corinthian 4:6, 11:1; Philippians 3;17]. Now, neither the Lord Jesus Christ nor Paul ever hesitated calling "a spade a spade", so it's not a matter of NOT "warning" or "admonishing" or "reproving" or "rebuking" - it's having the spiritual "knowledge", "discernment", "understanding", and especially "wisdom" to know HOW to go about doing those things; and WHEN to do it; and to WHOM you should do it. You have "zeal" for the Lord and for His Holy word, and I don't want to discourage that (not ever!); but you must "temper" that "zeal" with those things I mentioned above. Those things {spiritual "knowledge", "discernment", "understanding", and "wisdom"} are "gifts" (given by God) and are acquired from God in his "own time" (since I am particularly "hard-headed" - it took a very long time for me). You are not wrong in your "assessment" of those Bible "correctors", "deniers", "gnat strainers", and "railers". Whether they are aware of what they are doing, or not, they will "answer" for their unbelief - of that I am absolutely sure: Quote:
Some of the brethren on the AV1611 Forum disagree with me on how to deal with these "people", and that is their right and prerogative. I believe that the Scriptures are crystal clear on WHAT, WHERE, WHEN, and HOW to deal with them; and WHO they are. There are two things about them I know for sure: #1. They may be "saved", but - They are NOT genuine "Bible" (ONE BOOK that you can hold in your hands) believers. #2. They do NOT possess A SINGLE "FINAL AUTHORITY" for determining all matters of faith and practice. There is a huge difference between those Christians (the vast majority) who simply "don't know" about the "Which Bible" issue, and those "Christians" who actively seek to disparage, defame, slander, and ridicule the Holy Bible! I try to patiently deal with those Christians who are ignorant of the issue and know little or nothing about it: Quote:
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I refuse to "dialogue" with them because there is NO PROFIT to be gained, and NO EDIFICATION takes place in such a FRUITLESS endeavor. I repeat: trying to deal with Bible "correctors", Sophists, and Humanists is an EXERCISE IN FUTILITY! Quote:
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There is no "room" for "leaven" in a church or any other Christian institution or group of believers (such as this Forum) - whether it be "leaven" in the form of "doctrine" [Galatians 5:9] or in the form of a "person" [1 Corinthians 5:6]. The Bible command is clear: If a man that is called a brother is GUILTY of the following: Quote:
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In addition we should: "put away from among yourselves that wicked person." That is WHY I will have NOTHING to do with those people and cannot understand WHY some Christians will try to "dialogue" or "reason" with them. Quote:
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The Biblical (Scriptural) commandment on HOW to deal with these men is clear. Whether it is personally distasteful or uncomfortable for me; whether I "think" there might be a better way; or whether our "culture" frowns on being direct and dealing "harshly" with people - if I am to live "by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God" [Matthew 4:4] then I must "AVOID THEM" at the least! Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. |
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Grace and peace Tony |
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Quit listening to the singing over there Brother and stablish yourself in some good solid Bible Believing here. Pay attention to Bro George's post, we do have to submit to how the Bible teaches us to deal with these people and stick to it no matter what, after all it IS our FINAL authority for ALL matters of faith and practice Proverbs 27:6 Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful. We are friends here, rebuke may hurt sometimes, but it is always for the greater good and most importantly for the Glory of the Lord Jesus Christ and his Holy written word. |
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Great post George, tell it like it is brother... |
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Slatt, as you can see, George considers me a softie. I wish that he could talk to a few of my former students (or my kids for that matter). He has rightly earned the "old curmudgeon" title.
I tend to pick my battles less broadly. I prefer using a scalpel, while others prefer a 50 cal or scatter gun. We arevstill on the same side of the fence. |
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I haven't heard anyone mention Ruckman for years! Is he still alive?
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DOH! Busted! |
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Re: " Sam Gipp's degree"
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Aloha Brother Tim, Actually my choice of weapon happens to be: "The Sword of The Spirit". Ephesians 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: We are in a WAR brother - NOT a "debating society" or a "coffee clatch"; and the only WEAPON that I use is God's words - It's the ONLY "OFFENSIVE" WEAPON available to a Bible believer (the rest of our "armour" is "Defensive"). My words, or anyone else's words, opinions, suppositions, and speculations are as useless as a pea shooter at the OK Coral. |
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George, regarding Ephesians 6, I see "prayer" as an offensive weapon as well. Touche' on the "Sword" comment, but you know what I meant.
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I agree. I use the words of the Holy Bible, when talking to others, whether they are lost or saved. The word of God is quick and powerful, sharper than any two edged sword, yea, amen, and it DOES pierce through all the garbage, and hits right at the heart of the matter. |
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