Originally Posted by jerry

What?? Do you believe in Universalism? God provided salvation for all mankind - but each individual must choose to receive Jesus or reject Him. All of mankind is condemned, and all of mankind CAN/MAY be saved - but not all are, due to their personal choice to receive or reject the Gospel of Christ.

Yes, I believe God saves all. And I hope you are not offended by my saying so.

The question was about predestination?

And so I gave my views on it, whether its accepted or not, in my view has no bearing on eternal salvation for Christ paid the price for that which was lost, and all mankind was lost.

The fact that not all know the good news, is where we come in.

To save some from the gates of hell, which is the suffering and pain of this existence without God in the heart.

If we believe in the good news and regard it in our hearts, than we are born again, alive in the spirit forever more, and never to die again.

We are equipped to minister to those who don't know so that we may save some.

Peace>>>AJ

[Luke]

Originally Posted by look3467

To save some from the gates of hell, which is the suffering and pain of this existence without God in the heart.

Peace>>>AJ

I've had more pain and suffering since I got saved than before!

Originally Posted by Paladin54

Your thoughts?

all 5 points of calvinism go against the bible in some way shape or form. and on the other side much of armenianism is the same way..

i don't follow man's doctrine.. i just follow the bible, and i don't use private interpretations of it, i let the bible speak for itself.

Here's a link that might answer some questions:

What Is Biblical Predestination?

[Biblestudent]

Originally Posted by jerry

Here's a link that might answer some questions:

What Is Biblical Predestination?

Thanks for that link Jerry! We get the doctrine of predestination from the Bible and not from Calvin.

I joined my local Baptist Church 3 years and with which I remained for the next year and a half. After a while I realized that the pastor of this church, along with many other members, were comfortable calling themselves "calvinists". This caused me to start studying the subject of calvinism intensely so I would have the proper tools to challenge these members (including the pastor) who called themselves calvinists. The best book (and simplest too) and the most thorough book I ever read on this subject is "What Love is this??", by Dave Hunt, from Oregon.
Contrary to what Calvin taught, our loving God wants everyone to be saved from hell and is not willing that any should perish (as His Word says.). Liz

It is very possible that many people who call themselves "calvinists" do so only because they believe in the doctrine of OSAS (once saved always saved). Yet, we do not have to call ourselves "calvinists" to believe that once we are saved, we are saved forever, as Jesus himself said:" NOthing shall pluck them(my sheep) out of my hand"

[Diligent]

Originally Posted by liz

It is very possible that many people who call themselves "calvinists" do so only because they believe in the doctrine of OSAS (once saved always saved). Yet, we do not have to call ourselves "calvinists" to believe that once we are saved, we are saved forever, as Jesus himself said:" NOthing shall pluck them(my sheep) out of my hand"

Calvinism's fifth tenet is "perseverance of the saints." While Calvinisim has it right that believers cannot lose their salvation, it is wrong to put the emphasis on perseverance -- the promise is preservation.

Right you are, Brandon!

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