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Old 01-23-2009, 11:04 AM
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Howdy my brothers and sisters in Christ. You see, in the "Obama Watch Deleted Thread", Diligent posted a link to a place where you can start blogs. Well, my curiosity got the best of me and I went there to have a look. Upon entrance, I see a blog of a former "Christian" now turned atheist. In there he types about how to stump a pro-lifer with a question: if abortion becomes illegal, what should we do with the women who abort? He claims that most pro-lifers haven't thought about this and we become confused when asked. Mind you, he even posted a video asking pro-lifers questions but I have no intention seeing it for now, but his article and the responses it got sure got me thinking. I been pro-life for a long time (even before I got saved), but I never thought about what punishment a woman should get if abortion does becomes illegal. So, if abortion is murder (and I believe it is), should the women who have abortion be treated the same as murderers. What should be their punishment if abortion becomes illegal?

Oh by the way, here is the link:
http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/01...-one-question/
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Old 01-23-2009, 12:26 PM
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That's very sad to read. It looks like his downfall started when he started going to more worldy churches and colleges. First came "new freedoms", then new thinking, allowing the Devil to move into your life and it just went down from there. Sad.
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Old 01-23-2009, 03:45 PM
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Howdy my brothers and sisters in Christ. You see, in the "Obama Watch Deleted Thread", Diligent posted a link to a place where you can start blogs. Well, my curiosity got the best of me and I went there to have a look. Upon entrance, I see a blog of a former "Christian" now turned atheist. In there he types about how to stump a pro-lifer with a question: if abortion becomes illegal, what should we do with the women who abort? He claims that most pro-lifers haven't thought about this and we become confused when asked. Mind you, he even posted a video asking pro-lifers questions but I have no intention seeing it for now, but his article and the responses it got sure got me thinking. I been pro-life for a long time (even before I got saved), but I never thought about what punishment a woman should get if abortion does becomes illegal. So, if abortion is murder (and I believe it is), should the women who have abortion be treated the same as murderers. What should be their punishment if abortion becomes illegal?

Oh by the way, here is the link:
http://unreasonablefaith.com/2009/01...-one-question/
I have thought on this and I believe anyone that performs an illegal abortion should be tried as one who has committed homicide. If the child takes a breath when it leaves the womb he should be charged with murder. The woman that gave herself to the butcher should be charged as an accomplice. I know many will find my stance excessive, but I don't believe we should be wishy washy on this. I have no sympathy for those without respect for life and the sanctity of the family. I do however have forgiveness for those who've committed this transgression and want to make peace with God.

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Old 01-23-2009, 05:25 PM
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Well what's the difference between a two month-old and a almost-born baby? Nothing but a couple months and a ridiculously expensive operation! These liberals act like there's some scientific difference, and other than the fact that the child is then eating food that its mother feeds it from a bottle (or her body[!]) instead of from her bloodstream (ad the kid is breathing now) there is no scientific difference.

Therefore, on that basis, we can conclude that there is no real difference between, say, burning a pre-born infant with a saline solution (abortion method) and cooking your one year-old in the microwave. Both are excruciatingly painful to the child and both result in their death. As a result, the perpetrators of either crime should be treated as having committed murder with malice aforethought: this should have no different consequences than the same act against a toddler or another adult.
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Old 01-24-2009, 06:43 AM
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Well, I haven't looked at the site yet, so I am going off what you have said. My response to him would be: Get right with the Lord and He will answer that for you.

I am not a great soul winner. I do not witness in public as I should. But I learned this. Our enemies: the world, the flesh, and the devil, will use any thing they can to distract you as a Christian from doing the Lord's will.

If this guy really is saved and has backslidden, then his problem isn't what are we going to do with the women who have abortions, his problem is sin. His sin. He needs to get right with the Lord. It is like when you are witnessing to someone and say, "You need to trust Jesus Christ as your savior," and they respond by asking you how did all those animals get on the ark. Well, what does the ark have to do with salvation? They aren't asking because that is what is keeping them from trusting Christ, they're asking to try and distract you from witnessing and so they won't have to answer your question.

Fact is, we are so far away from banning abortion, it isn't funny. You might as well ask who is going to be allowed to fly the magic unicorns. Ronald Reagan couldn't end abortion. George W Bush had a Republican congress and he couldn't stop it. What on earth would make him think that BO and the overwhelmingly liberal congress and overwhelmingly liberal judicial branch and the overwhelmingly liberal American Bar Association and the overwhelmingly liberal states of New York, California, et al are going to decide to ban abortion? In the past election when people would bring up that Sarah Palin would ban abortions, I would ask if they understood exactly how our government works.

No. this guy thinks he is cute because he thought up a "gotcha" question. (Or, more likely, heard it from someone else. And it is not even a very good question. There are some sticky questions regarding abortion for absolute pro-lifers. This isn't one of them.)

Tell him to get right with the Lord and the Lord will answer that for him.
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Old 01-24-2009, 09:08 AM
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Old 01-24-2009, 09:42 AM
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If the child takes a breath when it leaves the womb he should be charged with murder.
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This is off subject. isn't there oxygen in the blood?when concieved,doesn't the baby have blood? We breath oxygen,therefore,how is a child a living being only after it takes its first breath outside the womb.

Abortions should be tried as murder.
Anyone performing the abortion should be convicted of murder. What would be done about the women who made the choice to abort her child,isn't she the one who is responsible for aborting the child and the doctor was just an avenue? I am not disagreeing,the doctor who performs these procedures should get the chair, but what part is the woman not guilty as well.

Stephen,this is not an attack on you. There seems to be discrepencies when a child is considered a life,among brethren. Maybe i am just not seeing it as others do.
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Old 01-24-2009, 07:33 PM
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This is off subject. isn't there oxygen in the blood?when concieved,doesn't the baby have blood? We breath oxygen,therefore,how is a child a living being only after it takes its first breath outside the womb.
I think a child in the womb is a living being, but I think it becomes a living soul when it takes its first breath.

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Abortions should be tried as murder.
Anyone performing the abortion should be convicted of murder. What would be done about the women who made the choice to abort her child,isn't she the one who is responsible for aborting the child and the doctor was just an avenue? I am not disagreeing,the doctor who performs these procedures should get the chair, but what part is the woman not guilty as well.
She is guilty, but she isn't the one that actually performs the abortion. It's like a man that hires a man to kill someone. The assassin is the one doing the killing, and usually the one that hires the killer is guilty of solicitation to commit murder. So it would be the same in cases of abortion if abortion were ever made to be illegal.

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Stephen,this is not an attack on you. There seems to be discrepencies when a child is considered a life,among brethren. Maybe i am just not seeing it as others do.
Just remember this when you study this:

The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life. (Job 33:4 KJV)

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. (Genesis 2:7 KJV)

And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die. (Genesis 6:17 KJV)

And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life. (Genesis 7:15 KJV)

And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark. And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days. (Genesis 7:21-24 KJV)
(funny, when I just read this now I was brought to remember that babies are litterally swimming in water while in the womb)

Don't get me wrong. I do believe it is a gross sin against God and humanity to abort a baby, but I try to remain as Biblical as I can when I take a stance on things.

Peace and Love,
Stephen
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Old 01-24-2009, 08:14 PM
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Don't get me wrong. I do believe it is a gross sin against God and humanity to abort a baby, but I try to remain as Biblical as I can when I take a stance on things.
Guys,

This topic has been hashed out quite a bit already. Rather than go over this burned ground again, read the threads where it's already been discussed:

http://av1611.com/forums/showthread.php?t=609
http://av1611.com/forums/showthread.php?t=631
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Old 01-24-2009, 08:27 PM
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Well, I think we become a living soul at conception

Psalms 139:13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.

Psalms 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

Psalms 139:15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

Psalms 139:16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

To me this says God knows us even before we are conceived. Now you can't abort a person before they are conceived, but I believe the Bible teaches we are a living soul known to God at conception.

As far as answering this fellow, I would simply ask him what he thinks we should do to murderers.

The amazing thing about those who support abortion is that they are almost always against Capital Punishment. So, if a person murders 3 innocent people like the two fellows who broke into a doctor's home here in my state, raped his wife and one of his daughters, choked the wife to death, tied his two daughters to a bed, poured gasoline on them and set them on fire, if they try to execute these two fellows they will be outside the prison carrying protest signs and saying how criminal and inhumane Capital Punishment is. But if you ask them if it is OK to murder innocent unborn children who have never hurt a soul they will say it is alright and a woman's right!
 

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