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Old 06-08-2009, 01:03 PM
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Good verses, pbiwolski!

I've been thinking about these verses lately and realized they also contain information about different punishments and/or different levels of hell:

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Not only were they cast down to hell, they were also delivered into chains of darkness.

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

No one else I'm aware of who is in hell is described as being in everlasting chains. Also, "under darkness" seems to be a lower, darker place in hell. In any event, it seems to be differentiated from the general darkness of hell.

Both verses emphasize a higher degree of darkness and bondage by chains.
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Old 06-09-2009, 03:34 AM
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Originally Posted by kevinvw View Post
Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

1Ti 5:11 But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry;
1Ti 5:12 Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.

The same damnation that you would get for these sins. It definitely isn't eternal damnation in hell, and more than likely is the chastening of the Lord since that it what you will recieve for not judging yourself and not discerning the Lord's body. Unless you aren't saved, then you are going to hell already because you aren't cleansed from the blood, and taking the Lord's supper without being saved wouldn't make you go to hell any more than that.

Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Kevin had this to say about Damnation and Condemnation.

It is interesting that Christians can have damnation and not condemnation.

Brandon gave this reply. it would seem in context it is only Israelite's.

Originally Posted by Diligent View Post
That is not correct.
Mark 12:40 Which devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayers: these shall receive greater damnation.
The Law teaches us that some sins are worse than others. I also disagree with your statement that "only one sin" sends men to hell. Rejecting Christ is rejecting the only way out of our just punishment. We deserve hell because of all of our sin.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
so how do we apply Judge yourself in context of 1Cor 11. here in this thread we can discuss the differences of Damnation and condemnation instead of starting a new thread. seeing hell is either the outcome for some and not for Christians.

Damnations still seem to be like certain charges that hold differing penalties however all go to the same place to pay the price some longer some shorter (if it were a earthly prison) so maybe there are differing levels of punishment or it could be that each mans conscience will be the convicting torment throughout eternity.

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