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quoting the OT is no proof that they agreed on Doctrines for the church Age.
Luke is found in a different dispensation than the church Age Rightly divide the word of truth |
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Are you saying that we should all discard the Old Testament?
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Not at all.
Paul said the Old Testament is for admonishment and learning. it is just that there is very little church doctrine found in them. when a certain Doctrine in the Old Testament agrees with Paul's Doctrine in the NT then we have something that is apllicable doctrinally for the church today. For example the Psalmist said let us worship the Lord in Dance. But Paul does not speak on the issue of Dance. Therefore it is not a doctrine for the church today. now the issue is left to the Pastor and and he must decide if dancing distracts others from worshipping Jesus during the Sunday service. it it does then it should not be practiced. because we are to consider others better than self. |
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This is elementary the Old Testament total and completely agrees with all of the New Testament there is not one thing that is not link to each other that is how it work. Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. So what scriptures do you think this verse was talking about? Oh how about this one. (see below) 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: And this one, oh never mind if you don't get it by now you are just not receiving. You will see some day but I fear it will be to late to help anyone, I fell sorry for you and so many other on this site and in the church. They will go along in their false paradigm design to make you think and believe a certain way and they will end up not help anyone, but rather be a hindrance to the love of God. But Praises be to God and to his Christ, Jesus of Nazareth the Lord of lords and King of kings our high tower from the enemy. Sorry for saying dude to you it was meant in love, but if I ever talk to you I won't uses it again with you, not because I don't still love rather so as not to offend you. Again I fell sorry for you. Last edited by Scott Simons; 10-04-2008 at 04:27 AM. |
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Scott,
Though there is harmony of the OT and NT of which I have never said there wasn't. the point was what was for Christians today. that is a doctrinal issue of what is applicable for practical daily obediance to the word of God. Paul did not teach a Sabbath day observance but the OT does. just another place where Paul and the OT don't agree doctrinally. wouldn't you agree? i stated that as long as the OT teaching that is applicable to a christian is in agreement with the teaching of Paul's teaching on any given subject it is for the christian today as applicable life practice. We, unlike the Thessonicans, have a completed Bible whereby we can compare scripture with scripture. I understand your agruement. but we are not dicussing Thessolonicans here were are talkiing about Christian's who today have a completed Bible. As far a Paul's teaching to Timothy he is not saying ALL Scripture is Doctrinally applicable to a Christian's today. you are reading that into the verse. some of it is for correction and instruction and admonishment. the discussion I took on was for Doctrinal application for the believer TODAY not in AD50 or so. but 2008 I am much older than you being 50 this next year. you would do well to learn 1 Timothy 5:1 Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren; so many try to cover their sinful words and deeds by saying they are "in Love". This is not the first time you have used the "in Love" statement with me. I had a man once who deceived and lied to my face and then write me later saying all he had done was "in love". so those words carry very little wieght with me. as far as exalting myself above you. surely I made no attempt to do so. I only questioned your motives for arguing using a statement that was not 100% correct. Let us stop this behavior now and move on. these will be my last words to you on this subject. |
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Do What Jesus Did!
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To the Thread Question/Title. Yes,Yes,Yes, {Yea Verily!} The letters of your screen name ask a question. What would Jesus do? He would NOT take a meat clever to the Word of God and hack and cut. What Jesus WOULD do is/was quote and refer constantly to the Written Word as we now have it from Genesis to Malachi! Please turn to Matthew 5:17,18 and read those verses. Also look up a verse that has the words "millstone" and "sea" in it...think on that passage before adopting the "meat clever" hack and cut theology. The Lord God Himself gave us those 10 Commandments from Mt. Sinai,,,written into the stone tablets with HIS finger! Not David or anyone else. The Creator of the Universe took time to communicate to us humans and NO one has the right to tell you (or anyone) to disregard HIS words! Check out this link for some answers to your questions (with scripture proofs). http://www.vor.org/truth/1689/1689bc00.html Read chapter 1 and chapter 19. {The Holy Scriptures and The Law of God.} |
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Don't bother with the above link. You'll just be wasting your time. Baptist Confession of Faith is not baptist at all. It's simply reformated doctrine and amillennialism.
(It is my observation that calvinists MUST post something about calvinism in every post). EDIT: To PB, wwjd.usa is not a dispensationalist like the rest of us that supposedly hacks the word up and "wrongly divides". He is just a heretic that believes you can lose your salvation, and become sinlessly perfect. |
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Scott,
Your reply to brother Chette displays a certain amount of animosity and "chutzpah" that bothers me (I have seen it displayed by you quite often of late). Quote:
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The whole of the Bible is FOR us - BUT the whole of the Bible is not directed AT us. We are NOT under the Mosaic law (no matter what you think). We are not required to keep the Law (The Lord Jesus Christ KEPT IT FOR US!) I have remained silent for some time about your hijinks (thinking at the beginning that you were sincere ). Since Steve's near departure (mostly because of your remarks directed at him), I no longer will hold my tongue. For a man with Sooo many, many questions - you sure seem to already have ALL the answers! Why is that? Are you trying to "bait" us into an argument or a debate? If you haven't noticed - I stopped trying to deal with you for several weeks now (NO PROFIT! ). You are not a sincere person, and as such I decided not to have anything to do with you. You use the Scriptures just exactly like a Cultist, and you should consider (since you reportedly came out of a Cult - Mormonism), that perhaps you may still have some "baggage" that you "picked up" while you were in Mormonism. Brother Chette is NOT a "DUDE"! He is a faithful Christian missionary living in one of the most dangerous parts of the Philippines (Palawan - bordering on the area where the murderous Muslims live). Brother Chette (not DUDE!) puts his life on the line every day of the week (52 weeks a year). Brother Chette (not DUDE!) has started three Christian churches in the Philippines. In one day he probably has to deal with more serious problems (poverty, sickness, deprivation, and the burden of pastoring a church) than you have to deal with in a year. For you to flippantly malign him does not reflect well on your "Christian" character or witness! Brother Chette (not DUDE!) is putting his life (and his family's) on the line for the Lord Jesus Christ - what are you doing? Hmmm? Brother Chette (not DUDE!) is trying to SERVE the Lord Jesus Christ as best he can and you do him a disservice with your attitude (but then again - he's NOT the first one on this Forum that you have treated that way). [Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.] As a "Christian" you have a lot to learn, but sad to say you haven't learned much from us. You have a serious problem (which we on this Forum cannot "fix") in that your Posts question the meaning of Scripture and cast doubt on its veracity. You should seriously consider "WHO" it is (in the Scriptures) that is an "ACE" at doing the same! Like I've said before - Once I find that a person is an insincere Sophist, I no longer will deal with him (or her). I refuse to "engage" with kooks, Sophists, heretics, and malicious people. You can take your pick as to where you fit in that list! I refuse to waste my time trying to convince someone, who already "thinks" that he has ALL of the answers! [Proverbs 16:22 Understanding is a wellspring of life unto him that hath it: but the instruction of fools is folly.] Aloha-Adios-Adieu-Sayanora-Chow or whatever. |
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George,
You post is good advice for all of us. Sadly I fell into the " war debate " with WWJD and it was a total waste of time other than Luck reminding of the Bible passages I was looking for but had forgotten where they were. Some folks on here very near cult beliefs. Like sinless perfection and other such unsound doctrines. It is best to let most of these post pass by with out reply, however once you reply I feel as if you must carry it to the end and finish what you have started. It is best not to start in the first place. If nobody replies to crazy post maybe the post will die a fast death. I myself have avoided this topic for this reason wanting this worthless post to die. We can not help what others post, but we can help how and what we reply if we reply. Maybe we just need to stop the replies and that may be the best thing to do. Atlas |
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