[Ask Mr. Religion]

Originally Posted by Luke

EDIT: I am addressing Larryb's reformed amillennial theology. I do not believe Christ will come in 500 years, but much much sooner.

Has anyone read Harold Camping's Time Has an End? He is predicting the Second Coming in the fall of 2011.

AMR

[chette777]

Well I have come to the conclusion that 2011 is a good time based on some calculations. but I am not a prophet or a son of a prophet. I based it on a prophecy of Jesus Christ and came up with 2011 as well.

Another man shared with me why he believes it will be 2011 that is because there was 400 years of silence between old and new testaments. and the KJV Bible will be 400 years old in 2011.

What reason does he give for his belief it will be in 2011?

[Diligent]

I know you folks aren't preaching a date, but there is no profit in speculating about dates for the return of the Lord.

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

I believe in the imminent return of Christ, but Christ's return was imminent even when Paul was penning Scripture (1Th 4:15).

We are told to "watch" and "be ready." That should be enough.

[Brother Tim]

I hope I don't have to wait that long (2011) . I'm listenin' for the trumpet right now! Watching and praying, serving and studying. I want to be about my Father's business!

[Brother-Smith]

Hello all,


I don't believe in date setting ever since high school in 88'.
I remember sitting in class waiting till 10:15 because that was when it was going to happen. Hmm... didn't happen. (YET!)

I understood at that moment that date setting was not healthy.

That being said, I love the topic and speculation!

I remember reading in James Usher's Annals of the world book that he came up with 4004 B.C. as a starting point for time. Taking into account the change in calendar years between the Jews/Romans, that puts us in the ballpark with a hotdog, doing the seventh inning stretch.

Even future-potential-bloodwashed-believers know something is up. I try to study many different angles to be able to communicate in hopes that a witnessing opportunity might pop up.

Anyone else want to get into a thread along these lines?


Brother-Smith

[Ask Mr. Religion]

Originally Posted by chette777

What reason does he give for his belief it will be in 2011?

See http://www.timehasanend.org/public/thae_ch10.html

AMR

[Jassy]

Originally Posted by Ask Mr. Religion

Has anyone read Harold Camping's Time Has an End? He is predicting the Second Coming in the fall of 2011.

AMR

Brothers AMR & Chette,

It could happen then. I'm open to God's timetable. I'm not going to be setting any dates myself. Like Brother Tim says - WATCH and be READY.

The fools who have predicted dates - even HOURS - lost their credibility. It is foolishness to be so specific. Speculation is OK. Just don't pin it down to IT WILL HAPPEN - just keep it at "MAY." That's good enough.

Brother Brandon - I don't think that giving a very general time period of "Fall of 2011" is preaching a DATE. The Lord said we will not know the HOUR or DAY. He didn't say we will not know the SEASON or YEAR. I don't see anything wrong with knowing the SEASONS and being READY. We can't just close our eyes and not see all that is happening around us and say, "NAH! He's not coming now!" The truth is we don't know! But the Lord did tell us that we could have an INDICATION of when these things might occur.

Jassy

[Diligent]

Originally Posted by Jassy

Brother Brandon - I don't think that giving a very general time period of "Fall of 2011" is preaching a DATE. The Lord said we will not know the HOUR or DAY. He didn't say we will not know the SEASON or YEAR. I don't see anything wrong with knowing the SEASONS and being READY. We can't just close our eyes and not see all that is happening around us and say, "NAH! He's not coming now!" The truth is we don't know! But the Lord did tell us that we could have an INDICATION of when these things might occur.

Who is saying "he's not coming now?" Not me -- the person you are replying to. I said I believe the coming of Christ is imminent. Who is this person who is saying he can't come back before the 2011? Who dares limit Christ in that way?

I understand your point, but you are being highly technical by saying we can put a year on the return because Scripture only says we can't put a "day" or "hour" on it.

Look at it this way: by 2011, there will have been over 1900 years since the Lord was working his earthly ministry. That's over 7,600 "seasons." I don't think anybody should be nailing down a particular "season" just because he can "get away" with not saying what day during the season.

If 2012 comes without the return of Christ, what will you do with the false prophets that said he would return in 2011?

[greenbear]

Camping is a mess and date setting is a pernicious error. Nothing good has ever come of it, only shipwrecked faith and "christian" cults like SDA, etc. It should be avoided like the plague.

[chette777]

to clarify my position. I am not saying he is tied down to any date I have reckoned. he could come tomorrow, or 1000 years from now.

it is always fun to speculate with scripture of course.

here is mine Matt 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. speaking of the Tribulation.

From a certain time (70AD) up unto 1948 Israel was not a nation. in 1948 Israel was back in the land. Jesus says generation that could be, 30, 70 or 100 years. 30 is already past. 70 will be in 2018, minus 7 years for the tribulation 2011.

But we do not put our trust in this. But actually in God's perfect time he will return.

Another interesting is current events and scripture. For example Gore is pushing global governance for climate control, and at the G8 summit those countries all agree not to let the global temperature rise more than 2 degrees Celsius. One it is humanly impossible for them to even think such.

But what greater joy would God have than to mess up there grand and glorious plan with these verses that happens during the Great Tribulation, Rev 16:8, 9 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

These two verses go right against their climate pact they made just this last week. obvious great heat is a lot hotter than 2 degrees Celsius.

we are to watch and be ready not to be caught off guard.

1Thess 5:1-10 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

It is fun to speculate, but we must remember our duty to tell others of Christ. Because the time is short (life in general) I have a burden for men. I was witnessing yesterday to an American in the Hospital here. When I mentioned the name of Jesus Christ, he became very angry almost violent saying things he heard but not truth. I calmly tried to continue but he was hard as a rock. He said he hates that name. what a shame I will see him again and we will see if I can squeeze in a little more witness for Jesus Christ.