[Brother Tim]

If GT can make it through the gauntlet of this forum and still have some hair and hide left, I'll give him a Th.D too.

You meanies that keep picking on him about his "extreme" position, take a look at his picture! He's a BABY still. Wet behind the ears and green top-to-bottom. He'll wake up one day and realize that the degrees really don't matter all that much, unless one is intending to turn them into cash or men's praise. My father always downplayed his Th.D, though it was a very tough process to complete for him as a pastor of a small church with little income or time.

GT has roots in the KJB. One day he will see the truth. I feel confident about that. That change will be delayed by the beatings, however. Brethren! Smile, shake his hand, pat him on the shoulder, and let him know you love his fervor. Then if you feel the need to, pop him on the back of the head when he's not looking.

[Fredoheaven]

then well, I have to bow and pray for him...It's not yet the end of his road. GT, I will be praying for you...

Greektim, things can get a bit harsh here sometimes. I want to encourage you to keep learning and seeking God's truth, I do hope you will do as Bro. Tim has suggested and return to your roots in the KJB.

[peopleoftheway]

Originally Posted by Brother Tim

If GT can make it through the gauntlet of this forum and still have some hair and hide left, I'll give him a Th.D too.

You meanies that keep picking on him about his "extreme" position, take a look at his picture! He's a BABY still. Wet behind the ears and green top-to-bottom. He'll wake up one day and realize that the degrees really don't matter all that much, unless one is intending to turn them into cash or men's praise. My father always downplayed his Th.D, though it was a very tough process to complete for him as a pastor of a small church with little income or time.

GT has roots in the KJB. One day he will see the truth. I feel confident about that. That change will be delayed by the beatings, however. Brethren! Smile, shake his hand, pat him on the shoulder, and let him know you love his fervor. Then if you feel the need to, pop him on the back of the head when he's not looking.

Brother Tim, you of all people should know that anything said to Tim is a rebuke of posts that come within a wiff of promoting "the greek" and theology to correct the Bible. It is hard to not "pick apart" anyone who joins and from their own website says they are extremely against what we believe.
However, by the Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ I will give Tim the benefit of the doubt, and see where his posts lead him, Yes he is young, but that is even more troubling for me, I am 10 years older and I want to be saying to my Brothers In Christ
"Brothers stand with me, Stand fast in the frontline, sharp swords drawn ready for honouring our Lord and Saviour and his word"
not
"Maybe we will miss the battle if we stay in the Library"

I pray also that what he may learn may lead him into the truth, but I fear what he has already learned (From his website) his own wisdom is preventing him.

1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
1 Corinthians 3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

[George]

Originally Posted by Brother Tim

If GT can make it through the gauntlet of this forum and still have some hair and hide left, I'll give him a Th.D too.

You meanies that keep picking on him about his "extreme" position, take a look at his picture! He's a BABY still. Wet behind the ears and green top-to-bottom. He'll wake up one day and realize that the degrees really don't matter all that much, unless one is intending to turn them into cash or men's praise. My father always downplayed his Th.D, though it was a very tough process to complete for him as a pastor of a small church with little income or time.

GT has roots in the KJB. One day he will see the truth. I feel confident about that. That change will be delayed by the beatings, however. Brethren! Smile, shake his hand, pat him on the shoulder, and let him know you love his fervor. Then if you feel the need to, pop him on the back of the head when he's not looking.

Aloha Brother Tim,

If you can show me (from the Scriptures) where the Lord Jesus Christ ever dealt with a 25 year old MAN (not a child) in the manner in which you are suggesting, I will do exactly that. But if you cannot demonstrate (from the Scriptures) that what you are suggesting (i.e. handle him with kid gloves) is the "scriptural" way to deal with him, then I will continue "to calls them as I sees them". {Check out Matthew 19:16-22 - The Lord didn't cut that young man "any slack", because he was "young" - and neither should we.}

The idea that young men (a "pastor" in this case) can be EXCUSED for their wrong doing or sin comes from Humanistic Psychiatry/Psychology and has NO BASIS in the Holy Bible. In spite of what our "culture" believes - "Childhood" does NOT extend into a person's 20's. In the Old Testament a male of twenty years of age was considered to be a man and was required to defend his country (Israel), if he was able, as a soldier - and NOT as a child, but as a MAN! [Numbers 1:3 From twenty years old and upward, all that are able to go forth to war in Israel: thou and Aaron shall number them by their armies.]

And not only that, but the priests of Israel "did the work for the service of the house of the LORD, from the age of twenty years and upward." [1 Chronicles 23:24]

And so we have the Biblical testimony (Definition) as to what age God considers a young male - A "MAN". Today when a young man goes into the ministry, he is supposed to faithfully "serve" the Lord and "minister" to the Lord's "house" (i.e. the church); and he is also going into a "war". This "work" is for MEN - NOT Children. Children DID NOT DO "the work for the service of the house of the LORD" and they DID NOT GO TO "WAR". If "greektim" is to be treated as a "child" - he shouldn't be in the ministry, if he is going to be in the ministry, then we shouldn't be treating him as a child!

The willingness to "go easy" on those who name the name of Christ - just because they are considered young, is foreign to Scripture and is a recent development from our Humanistic society. {Remember Jordan?}

I tend to "go easy" on the lost (most of them don't know better) and on "new" Christians (who are babes in Christ) as long as they are "sincere", but those who have been saved for some time (especially "pastors") are without excuse!

[Greektim]

I think Brother Tim is alluding not to going easy on me but being kind in your speech (cf. 2 Tim. 2:25-26).

Let me express that my handle does not express everything about me. I should have signed under as Timotheos (which is Greek for Timothy ala Greektim). There is a story behind it and not an agenda. If you care to hear me explain it, then I will be happy to. But since it corresponds to my email, I chose it.

To answer why I joined this forum since I am not KJVO, I have said already so that iron can sharpen iron. Even if we disagree on the translation of choice, believe it or not we have very many similar theological views which we can edify from each other. And by the way, I did ask if one had to be KJVO to join. If I was told that it would be fruitless on all parties to do so, then I would not be here.

Brethren, I do covet your prayers. If I am in error on any theological position, it is not my desire to stay in error. While at this time I do not believe I am wrong, I know my knowledge is not perfect and I am constantly learning every day. The fact that I am willing to come here to discuss these things should show you that I am open to the truth. I don't think it is wrong to say that I am extremely against a theological view just as you are the same.

And George, I am seeking to be polite because even the Bible says in so many places that our conversation should be seasoned with salt & etc... If you don't like Christian discussion bathed in love, then I don't think you have given the entire counsel of God its due consideration. I don't mean to sound lovey-dovey, but I still want to be courteous to my brethren. And considering my past, it is very easy to slip back into a form of speech that is not edifying nor glorfying to God. So I would rather not stumble in that regard.

And to Fredoheaven, I put this thread in this part of the forum (Bible versions) b/c Gipp is such a staunch defender of the KJV. I thought it would be highly appropriate here, especially considering the direction this discussion has turned.

[Kottage Kat]

DR. Samual Gipp was recently at our church, we were so blessed to get himas he is booked years in advance. He is the foremost authority, next to Dr. Ruckman on the KJV. He is an excellent speaker, and dispite the controversy over where he got his degree, I urge all to read his books. If he speaks with authority, and his doctrine is sound, who cares where he got his degree. Is it really THAT important, be blessed by the teachings of this Man of GOD. I only know about Dr. Ruckman from what I read on this site.