[stephanos]

Originally Posted by Bro. Parrish

Chette: Come on, chill out brother, nobody is WORSHIPPING Hovind.
Last time I checked he and his wife are BOTH doing the time, so maybe their accusers should "move on."



I think this is correct.
I looked at this many years ago, so I'm a little rusty on it now but I think anyone who researches this will find that Americans were never supposed to pay tax on their personal income, it was originally called the "War Tax" as I recall it was supposed to be repealed after the war. I always play by the rules, but I can tell you I know a guy who never pays income tax, he sends them a letter every year and tells them why. He belongs to a group that has challenged the IRS in court and he says they win their cases almost every time because when you really get down to the nitty gritty, the law is on their side. I am not advocating this for others, just saying some of these movements are winning in court, more here:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=21745
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=17023
http://www.bigeye.com/incometax.htm

I know a few guys that do the same thing, but they all end up, or have been in jail for trying to fight this.

No matter how one looks at things, our goverment is performing illegally. The Constitution is the Higher Power in this nation and it is being trodden under foot by despots who care not for the Happiness and Safety (Declaration of Independance) of American citizens.

Concerning taxes. I will give to Caesar what is Caesars, but I WILL NOT give to Caesar what is God's.

Peace and Love,
Stephen

[Luke]

I predicted this would happen. The guy is in jail, the court date is gone, stop trying to be correct, either side. Pray for him.

Who cares about the ratifications to the fifth amendment by the standing court of judicial tax law in regards to 501c3 tax exempt institution status according to the tenth statement by the grand jury in regards to the Jackson Vs Hilmes trial of the 1990's, in which the IRS was deemed to be unconstitutional and against the higher power of the democratic government by which this country was founded, and Kent was not taxed on personal income, but on extra personal income and the 16th ammendment was not ratified and render unto ceasar what is caesars and WHO CARES ANYMORE... (I made that up in case anyone thinks otherwise and decides to argue about the random words I just wrote).

I don't see anyone here arguing in defense of Wesley Snipes.

Originally Posted by stephanos

No matter how one looks at things, our goverment is performing illegally. The Constitution is the Higher Power in this nation and it is being trodden under foot by despots who care not for the Happiness and Safety (Declaration of Independance) of American citizens.

I think you have a very good point here brother...

[chette777]

It is God's ordained higher power over you is the US Govt if you live in the US. Obey Romans 13 or disobey and let the chips fall where they may.

We do pray for Kent. but he just wont admit he did wrong confession is key to getting right with God on the issue of his word in Rom 13

[MC1171611]

Originally Posted by chette777

It is God's ordained higher power over you is the US Govt if you live in the US. Obey Romans 13 or disobey and let the chips fall where they may.

We do pray for Kent. but he just wont admit he did wrong confession is key to getting right with God on the issue of his word in Rom 13

Kent Hovind didn't do anything wrong. You just aren't getting it.

If the government told you to go kill your neighbor for no reason, even though it was against the law, would you do it?

So, if the government tells you to pay income tax, which is against the law, should you be required to do so, especially if you have a conviction against doing so?

Income tax is unconstitutional and is therefore voluntary.

Originally Posted by chette777

it doesn't matter whether you or Kent or Gary De Marr feel the government violates the constitution they have the laws set already your duty as a Christian is to obey....

It is God's ordained higher power over you is the US Govt if you live in the US.

Chette,
I agree with you to a point brother, with regard to being subject to the LAWS of the land. However, if those laws are not valid we must uphold the Constitution. Furthermore, I will always contend that Americans no not live under kings or royalty, or any such system. Our leaders are elected and paid SERVANTS of the people, no more no less. In essence they are employees of the citizens. I believe we can apply Romans 13 just fine, right up to the point where the government starts taking our inalienable rights and forgetting that it too is subject to the God who gave them to us. Then all bets are off, as we are reminded by the framers of our nation that tyrants are to be cast down and even the government itself shaken off, if it threatens our God-given freedom. That's why the language of the Second Amendment prohibits the Federal Government from “infringing” on the right of the people.

"If the federal government should overpass the just bounds of its authority and make a tyrannical use of its powers, the people, whose creature it is, must appeal to the standard they have formed, and take such measures to redress the injury done to the Constitution as the exigency may suggest and prudence justify." -- Alexander Hamilton

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes." -- James Madison, The Federalist Papers, No. 46

"If it be asked, What is the most sacred duty and the greatest source of our security in a Republic? The answer would be, An inviolable respect for the Constitution and Laws." -- Alexander Hamilton

Here's an interesting link:
http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/six-about-2nd.htm

[stephanos]

This is the beginning of one of the most beautiful documents ever penned:

When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government.

If Chette or anyone wants to be picky, this entire country was built upon rebellion against the Higher Powers of the King of England. But the past is the past. Let us take to heart the Declaration of Independance and return to a government whose powers are defined within the Constitution. Then, and only then, will America know peace again.

Peace and Love,
Stephen

Stephen,
I couldn't have said it better myself, nice post.

[chette777]

good luck with your rebellion guys. Me I will submit and be a servant. and I will have my reward in Heaven. though we may hold these truths to be self evident that every man is created equal by his creator God's word never has promised us anything in this world.

Psalmist says, Ps 33:18, 19 Behold, the eye of the LORD is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy; To deliver their soul from death, and to keep them alive in famine.
and

Ps 34:11-19 Come, ye children, hearken unto me: I will teach you the fear of the LORD. What man is he that desireth life, and loveth many days, that he may see good? Keep thy tongue from evil, and thy lips from speaking guile. Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it. The eyes of the LORD are upon the righteous, and his ears are open unto their cry. The face of the LORD is against them that do evil, to cut off the remembrance of them from the earth. The righteous cry, and the LORD heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles. The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit. Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth him out of them all.

The fear of the Lord is to do what is right and no matter how you want to justify taxes our legal representative voted in those taxes and we are obligated to pay them under the Romans 13 mandate from God's word.