[bibleprotector]

Originally Posted by Cody1611

You say you don't believe in double inspiration? What about when Moses broke the first set of the Ten Commandments? Do you believe God inspired the second set? Since we do not have the originals now, don't you think God would inspire the King James Bible?

Since God did not inspire those words in stone, there is no double inspiration here. Not even single inspiration.

Inspiration was when Moses was writing down (on scrolls) making the form of the book (e.g. Exodus) that we see today. That was one single inspiration.

Copies were made, and the words were kept, and gathered perfectly in the KJB. The KJB is perfect. Its words are inspired. But that KJB was not made by inspiration. In the case of Exodus, inspiration happened only once, and since that time, the inspired words endured through history.

[Tmonk]

In the case of Moses its rather simple if you look at that situation from a practical point of view.

Moses got mad and broke the set of tablets made by God. When he asked God for another, God told him that he broke them so he has to do it himself.

this is not true at all. ANYTHING GOD SAYS IS INSPIRED! but only the Bible (in english KJB) is a reliable record of HIS WORDS.

During the early church when the New Test. was still being written God translated HIS WORD into every language in the world. For example, someone stands up in the Corinthian church and reads Pauls letter and folks from other languages hear it in their own language then that is a perfectly "inspired translation". I have heard people argue that it wasn't God's Word that was being spoken under the gift of tongues but if people are getting saved then that proves it is God's Word. People can not be saved without hearing God's Word. faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the WORD OF GOD.

BIBLE PROTECTOR - if you think the distinction of "inspired" is between written and spoken then what about Acts 13:49 And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region. ? you are obviously much more learned on this topic then myself but maybe it is your mixed up doctrine on gift of tongues and your zeal for australia and eng language that is causing you problems.

God died for everyone even those who wouldn't accept Him and He preserved HIS WORD in every language even in those countries who reject Him.

Originally Posted by bibleprotector

Since God did not inspire those words in stone, there is no double inspiration here. Not even single inspiration.

Inspiration was when Moses was writing down (on scrolls) making the form of the book (e.g. Exodus) that we see today. That was one single inspiration.

Copies were made, and the words were kept, and gathered perfectly in the KJB. The KJB is perfect. Its words are inspired. But that KJB was not made by inspiration. In the case of Exodus, inspiration happened only once, and since that time, the inspired words endured through history.

[bibleprotector]

Originally Posted by ONEWAY

this is not true at all.

It seems you are deliberately speaking in this way to provoke something.

Originally Posted by ONEWAY

ANYTHING GOD SAYS IS INSPIRED!

No, anything God says is divine and true. But what about all the prophecies that have never been given in Scripture. What about all the words that God said that were never written down. Surely, the theological term "inspiration" covers the giving of Canonical Scripture only.

Originally Posted by ONEWAY

but only the Bible (in english KJB) is a reliable record of HIS WORDS.

There are plenty of reliable records, but the most reliable is the KJB.

Originally Posted by ONEWAY

During the early church when the New Test. was still being written God translated HIS WORD into every language in the world.

No it wasn't. The Indians and aborigines did not get the word for centuries.

Originally Posted by ONEWAY

For example, someone stands up in the Corinthian church and reads Pauls letter and folks from other languages hear it in their own language then that is a perfectly "inspired translation".

That did not happen. Scripture was translated by learned people who knew two or more langauges. Tongues was used at the Corinthian Church as prophecy, or else, for their prayers. Not one verse links Holy Ghost tongues with translating Scripture.

Originally Posted by ONEWAY

I have heard people argue that it wasn't God's Word that was being spoken under the gift of tongues but if people are getting saved then that proves it is God's Word.

Who has got saved by hearing tongues? The Bible does not teach this at all.

Originally Posted by ONEWAY

People can not be saved without hearing God's Word. faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the WORD OF GOD.

Yes.

Originally Posted by ONEWAY

BIBLE PROTECTOR - if you think the distinction of "inspired" is between written and spoken then what about Acts 13:49 And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region. ?.

That has nothing to do with Holy Ghost tongues, and actually nothing to do with translation, since they spoke Greek there.

Originally Posted by ONEWAY

God died for everyone even those who wouldn't accept Him and He preserved HIS WORD in every language even in those countries who reject Him.

Yes, Christ died for all, but God's Word has not been effectively changed into all languages. Also, it is clear that the English translation is better than all others. Some dialects have no Scripture.

[tonybones2112]

Originally Posted by ONEWAY

this is not true at all. ANYTHING GOD SAYS IS INSPIRED! but only the Bible (in english KJB) is a reliable record of HIS WORDS.

During the early church when the New Test. was still being written God translated HIS WORD into every language in the world. For example, someone stands up in the Corinthian church and reads Pauls letter and folks from other languages hear it in their own language then that is a perfectly "inspired translation". I have heard people argue that it wasn't God's Word that was being spoken under the gift of tongues but if people are getting saved then that proves it is God's Word. People can not be saved without hearing God's Word. faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the WORD OF GOD.

BIBLE PROTECTOR - if you think the distinction of "inspired" is between written and spoken then what about Acts 13:49 And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region. ? you are obviously much more learned on this topic then myself but maybe it is your mixed up doctrine on gift of tongues and your zeal for australia and eng language that is causing you problems.

God died for everyone even those who wouldn't accept Him and He preserved HIS WORD in every language even in those countries who reject Him.

My position is God does everything He does by "inspiration". He gave the original manuscripts by inspiration, He gives copies and translations from age to age by inspiration, and it works effectually in those who believe His words, by His inspiration. Triple Inspiration of the Scriptures. The material His words are transmitted to is not perfect, the words are perfect. The scribe and writers are not perfect, the words themselves are perfect. The Universe is not perfect, Jesus Christ was perfect, God's will is perfect, His words are perfect.

For the first time in all history, starting in 1611, we have His whole counsel gathered together in one place.

Whether or not the word of God has been preserved and given by inspiration in Zulu is something I can't speak to, I don't speak Zulu. I speak a little Russian and that's it.

Grace and peace

Tony

Originally Posted by tonybones2112

For the first time in all history, starting in 1611, we have His whole counsel gathered together in one place.

So you think their was never an inspired Bible before 1611 or in another language now?

Whether or not the word of God has been preserved and given by inspiration in Zulu is something I can't speak to, I don't speak Zulu. I speak a little Russian and that's it.

Grace and peace

Tony

have you ever researched the history of the Russian Bible? I am getting ready to launch a website to reach Russian speakers and I want to have a searchable and downloadable and printable Bible but I am very concerned with putting up a corrupt Bible.

[bibleprotector]

The Russians need the KJB. (Of course, they had the KGB!)

Since we know that one day very soon the Russians and so on are going to invade Israel (see Ezekiel 38 and 39) then I think they will be less resistant to the KJB after that (failure) than what may be now.

Originally Posted by bibleprotector

The Russians need the KJB. (Of course, they had the KGB!)

Since we know that one day very soon the Russians and so on are going to invade Israel (see Ezekiel 38 and 39) then I think they will be less resistant to the KJB after that (failure) than what may be now.

I am gonna reply to your earlier post later..wanted to spend some time on it.

maybe they need a NKGB.

yep...they are probably gonna invade more then that....here is an interesting message on the subject. I DON"T agree with these guys (jack schapp - Hyles' son in law) on everything but they did teach me how to be a soulwinner. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfDj2fvJ9VE

I spent a lot of time in Russia and Ukraine this year (about 3 or 4 months). I have never seen a place or group of people so hungry for the gospel. We would literally walk through a hospital and go room to room with my fiance or another interpreter and see many many saved every time. They even asked me to go a public school and speak and said i can answer any question any way i want. one girl asked me about my religion so went through a 30 minute gospel presentation starting from creation. If i did that in america they would put me in jail. The place is wide open and needs THE WORD and prayer.

I am actually getting married in about 5 weeks to a great russian girl from a village in the middle of Siberia. Amazing Christian girl raised by an amazing single Christian mother. She is making a spreadsheet for a site I am having built of 300 new test verses comparing KJB to 9 versions and she has also been comparing with her russian Bible and so far at least it is word for word with the KJB. I have noticed some interesting points doing this project. (ie the word tongue has double meaning in russian also -- actual tongue in your mouth and language).

[tonybones2112]

Originally Posted by ONEWAY

So you think their was never an inspired Bible before 1611 or in another language now?




have you ever researched the history of the Russian Bible? I am getting ready to launch a website to reach Russian speakers and I want to have a searchable and downloadable and printable Bible but I am very concerned with putting up a corrupt Bible.

II Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

1Th 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

Am I saying I am a British-Israelite who believes the KJV is and was the only inspired words of God my friend? No, I'm not. Luther's Bible led the German Reformation but was leavened with readings from Jerome's Latin Vulgate. Wycliffe was essentially the Vulgate in English with a few readings from the Massoretic OT and NT TR restored to it. There seems to be a quite clear validity to the prophetic notion that the seven purifications of the word of God in Psalms 12 culminated in the final and 7th, the KJV. I've not been shown nor am convinced the KJV is impure or corrupted in English, since English is my primary language I cannot speak to the purity of any Russian version as my knowledge of the language and Cyrillic script is not conversant to translate a Bible.

If you are searching for a Russian bible unleavened by the W/H NT-ben Asher OT corruptions I certainly pray you find it. I have a profound love for the Russian people though their government still leaves much to be desired.

Grace and peace

Tony

Originally Posted by tonybones2112

Am I saying I am a British-Israelite who believes the KJV is and was the only inspired words of God my friend? No, I'm not. Luther's Bible led the German Reformation

A born-again Iraelite should not be speaking well of Luther. Luther was a murderous, anti-semitic, heretic who is burning in Hell today.

Anyway, sorry luther and most all the reformers make me sick to my stomach. I will let you know what I find out about the Russian Bible. US and England govts are pretty messed up also. govts come and go but People last forever.

Here is a link to a good French Bible: www.kingjamesfrancaise.com

Thanks.