[Greektim]

I don't think Tony will be convinced with pointing out Scripture to which he already has read before. What is holding him back is his system of theology (please correct me if I am wrong, Tony). That's ok b/c my system of theology which I see rise from Scripture holds me back from abstaining from baptism. We all do this. Since he holds to a later date for the beginning of the Church, then that will affect his interpretation to those passages. So maybe it would be better to discuss the birthday of the Church. Just a thought.