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Old 11-10-2008, 05:02 PM
Bro. Parrish
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Originally Posted by MC1171611 View Post
And, in my opinion, littered with many Scriptures that seem to be ignored.

The principle is the same: if you want to get into semantics, we can do it. But the principle is to obey and honor those in authority. As Christians, we have absolutely no right to revolt or dishonor those that rule over us, regardless of the governmental system or how they came to power. It would be our job to honor Mao much the same as it is to honor Obama or as it was for the Christians in Rome to honor Nero. The path to power is irrelevant: the position of authority is what God commands us to honor regardless of who the man is.
Well see that's the difference between you and me brother.
You would HONOR Stalin and Mao as they murdered millions including your family and mine, and I would seek to discredit, overturn and overthrow his horrible regime, in order to bring forth a more perfect union, even to the death if required. See, I'm just not as good a Christian as yourself.

Thank God America isn't run by passivists, otherwise I could be working on a collective farm in a pile of pig manure, honoring a godless murderer like Mao, instead of my leather couch speaking with you on the internet in freedom.

A few points from the other forum...

Now, I agree winning souls is the best solution, as I wrote here on Nov. 5:

BUT, that's not always going to throw down a Communist dictator or a Marxist murderer. Why? Because some men never repent and have no interest in God. As outlined by the founding documents, we as Americans are to be prepared to even throw down OUR OWN GOVERNMENT if required to save the nation and our God-given freedom.

I think it's clear that Paul was addressing the early church, and he was telling them how to deal with their particular situation in that particular time. He was not a military leader, that was not his calling. But I also think to suggest that those who are fighting against a communist regime or Godless dictator are somehow "resisting God" is just a terrible twist of scripture.

Certainly we know that God is love, and calls his children to be peacemakers. But we also know the Bible says God is a Man of War, and there are plenty of directions from God regarding overthrowing, resisting and killing the enemies of his people in the Bible. I can certainly appreciate your passivism, and I can respect that. I just think there is more than one side to this, just like there is more than one side to God, and if we are going to look at the Bible on these these matters, let's look at all of it. We know where things are headed eventually...

"And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God." Rev. 19:13-15