[George]

“I have been corresponding with a young man who has started believing the serpent seed / Kenite teachings. This teaching comes in a variety of forms but basically they say Cain was a result of a sexual union of Satan and Eve and the Kenites are their offspring, somehow survived the flood and the Pharisees were Kenites. Some believe all of the Jews are Kenites. This is based primarily on verses such as 1 John 3:12, John 8:44, and Matthew 13:38. Have any of you dealt with folks who follow this teaching? I was presented with the below and would like to respond with as understandable a reply as I can.”

Aloha CKG,

There is so much false teaching and heresy out in the world today (even amongst “Christians”), that it is practically impossible to keep track of it all. By your description, it appears to me that “Nehemiah” (banned – The Thread: "Could There Be a Connection?"”) may have been into the same “fairy tale” that you are describing.

Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

First off - we don’t know HOW LONG AFTER the expulsion from the Garden, that Adam “knew” his wife Eve (One week? One month? One Year? Several years? Who knows?) But the clear testimony of the Bible is: “Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived” - PERIOD! The obvious Scriptural “implication” is that Eve “conceived” as the RESULT of Adam “knowing” her – it doesn’t matter “what” Eve “THOUGHT” [“I have gotten a man from the LORD.”] unless she was crediting God for blessing her with a child. Remember – she was the one that was “DECEIVED” to begin with (NOT Adam)!

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

1 Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

NOTHING is said about a “sexual union” between Satan & Eve. (It’s ALL PURE SPECULATION!) And to embrace a “doctrine” founded on “speculation” is “MADNESS” on the part of those who believe it. It only re-affirms what the Bible already teaches about our (men’s) hearts:

Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

Ecclesiastes 9:3 This is an evil among all things that are done under the sun, that there is one event unto all: yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead.

The Scriptural narrative tells of the birth of Cain and then Abel. It doesn’t say HOW MUCH TIME PASSED from their birth to WHEN Cain slew Abel. It doesn’t tell you that Cain had a wife or whether Abel had a wife or not. There is a whole lot that God leaves out of the narrative (as He also did concerning all of creation), and any attempt on our part to “fill in the gaps” involves conjecture, supposition, speculation, and “guess work” – with the danger and risk that in “trying to make sense” of the Scriptural “narrative” we may end up ADDING, SUBTRACTING, or CHANGING God’s Holy word to “fit” our limited understanding.

As far as man is concerned - the Scriptural narrative was first just about Adam and his wife Eve (from Genesis 2:7) up until the narrative switches to Cain and Abel (Genesis 4:1-12); and then (AFTER Cain kills Abel) the narrative follows Cain (his wife) and his offspring for a short spell (Genesis 4:9-24).

We have NO IDEA HOW OLD Cain was or HOW OLD Abel was WHEN Cain slew him. But they were old enough to be engaged in Farming and Sheep Herding. The Bible never tells us WHEN Cain married his wife, it just tells us when he “knew her” and she “conceived” (AFTER - “Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.” Genesis 4:16).

It is pure “speculation” to assume that Cain found his wife in the land of Nod; he could have just as well have been already married and took his wife with him. The Bible doesn’t say – one way or the other. But to build a doctrine from these assumptions and speculations is FOOLISHNESS!

The fact that the Scriptural narrative temporarily left off following Adam and Eve while it followed Cain and his offspring, doesn’t “mean” that Adam and Eve were just “twiddling their thumbs” for that whole period of time! Anymore than it meant that they were playing “tidily winks” the whole time from the birth of Cain and Abel up to the time that Cain slew Abel! Does any “sane” person think that Adam WAITED UNTIL he “knew” his wife AGAIN for 130 YEARS?

What world do these people live in? If there is any “assuming” to be done, it would have to be done on the basis of sound and rational “reasoning” {WITHIN the Scriptural framework} – NOT irrational “speculation”. The Scriptures do not say HOW MANY daughters Adam and Eve had (The Bible narrative records and follows some of the male offspring), and to ASSUME that they didn’t have “relations” or any daughters for 130 years is sheer madness! It makes you wonder whether the people who dream up these heresies have ever been married and or have ever lived with a wife whom they have loved for several years.

HOW OLD was Adam WHEN Cain killed Abel? The Bible doesn’t say! But it does say:

Genesis 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

Genesis 5:6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:
7 And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters:

Genesis 5:9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:
10 And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters:

Genesis 5:12 And Cainan lived seventy years, and begat Mahalaleel:
13 And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begat sons and daughters:

Genesis 5:15 And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared:
16 And Mahalaleel lived after he begat Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters:

Genesis 5:18 And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:
19 And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:

Genesis 5:21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:
22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:

Genesis 5:25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech:
26 And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:

Genesis 5:28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:
29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed.
30 And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters:

If you “average” the age of the men (given above - minus Adam) as to WHEN they “begat” their first son it comes out to over 115 years of age! That is, WHEN they had their first son – NOT WHEN they got married. The youngest age (Mahalaleel & Enoch) at begetting a son was 65 years old; and the oldest age (Methuselah) at begetting a son was 187 years old.

IF Cain was already married when he killed Abel he would have been some where’s between 65 and 187 years old. And IF he didn’t have a wife until he moved to Nod, the fact remains that SOON AFTER he killed Abel he moved to the land of Nod and “knew” his wife and she bare him a son. The question is HOW OLD was Cain at that time? And a reasonable answer would be some where’s between 65 and 187, and if you took the “average” he would have been around 115 years old (or thereabouts).

Is somebody going to “CLAIM” that AFTER Adam “knew” his wife Eve and she bore him two sons from their joining together – that he (Adam) “WAITED” to “know” her AGAIN anywhere’s from 65 to 130 years BEFORE he “knew” her AGAIN? Can they be serious? Would anybody (in their “right mind”) take such nonsense seriously, unless they have such a perverse heart that they adamantly refuse to believe the truth, and so God has sent them a “strong delusion”.

We don’t know HOW OLD Adam was when he begat Cain and Abel, the Scriptures don’t tell us, but we do know that he was 130 years old when he begat Seth [Genesis 5:3]. IF Adam was 65 years old (the youngest recorded Scriptural age for “begetting” before the Flood) then (according to these heretics) Adam would have WAITED 65 years BEFORE he “knew” his wife Eve AGAIN! It’s impossible! She wasn’t a NUN, and he wasn’t a “celibate” Roman Catholic Priest! They were MAN & WIFE! She was - “bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh”; and if anyone “THINKS” that once Adam “knew” his wife Eve that he WAITED 65 or MORE YEARS BEFORE he “knew” her AGAIN – they either DON’T KNOW human nature, or are unwilling to admit to the natural “affection” that exists between a loving man & wife.

To deny that Adam and Eve had any daughters AFTER begetting Cain and Abel is ludicrous! The fact that the Scriptures don’t say that they did, does not preclude the fact that they most certainly did. There is no other reasonable (or Scriptural) explanation for WHERE Cain got his wife. The fact that the Scriptures state that Adam & Eve had “sons and daughters” AFTER he begat Seth, does not preclude the possibility that they “begat” daughters AFTER begetting Cain and Abel, and BEFORE begetting Seth. They certainly didn’t just sit around and “look” at each other for all those years between the births of Cain and Abel and the birth of Seth! Get real!

Although the Scriptures are SILENT on some of these matters, to speculate about two different Adams; or a different Eve; or a different “race” of “men” (aliens perhaps); or additional creations of men and women (by God) in addition to the Scriptural record - is preposterous, irrational, arbitrary, and foolish. And above all – such speculation ends up ADDING to the Holy words of God, which we are warned against [Deuteronomy 4:2; Proverbs 30:5; Revelation 22:18-19].

I have said it before; I try real hard to avoid speculation when it comes to the Scriptures. IF the Scriptures are silent on a matter, or if they don’t give a lot of information on an issue, we can’t just jump off “into the wild blue yonder” with wild speculations, just because we can’t make “sense” of a Scriptural issue; the Scriptural mandate dictates that we look for “reasonable” answers - WITHIN the confines of Scripture, NOT in “flights of fancy” or “fairy tales”!

1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.