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Old 05-25-2008, 06:11 AM
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What do the Bible Believers think?

And I'm NOT asking the calvinists on here who love defending their "doctrines of grace", which are not very gracious at all.
And a quote from another post on this Thread: "He's a 5 Point Calvinist". end Quote.


Luke:---What is your problem..? Did some kids that attended a Reformed Church steal your lunch money when you were in 4th Grade? Seems like you have a "knee-jerk reaction" and can't help yourself from using Calvinists/calvinism/5 Point calvinists as a cussword. You started a thread and asked folks to explain Dispensationalism to you...yet, in actuallity you already had made up your mind and in fact admitted that you didn't understand Calvinism--but,,,you were against it...

I posted a couple of links and mentioned a few names, yet you obviously did NOT bother to look at them but instead get your info from Youtube. I will post some more links and this time please read them and do some thinkin'/mulling/searching. Ask yourself some questions. This website is for the A.V. and as such I imagine the founder of it believes his Bible as do I. Do you not know, have you not heard of the MEN that stood up in the 1500's during what we call the Reformation?

Before you make fun of and insult Calvinists you should read "The Institutes of the Christian Religion" which Calvin (who had fled to Geneva,Switzerland) wrote as a letter to the King of France, trying to reason with the Roman Catholic monarch that Bible-believing Christians were not heretics, and using the Bible to frame his points. Martin Luther did very similar things for the German speaking peoples and translated the word of God into the language of the people. Have you not heard of men like Martin Bucer,John Knox,Zwingli...? These men were Bible Believers and were in league with the Doctrines of Grace. Why? Because all of those men listed and many more stood for the Bible and Free Grace instead of the Pope and the Vatican's religion of faith+works+church traditions. When Luther stood before the Diet of Worms he used Scripture to back his points. When the Pope sent spies to Geneva to find out what Calvin was preaching...his guys returned and said: Calvin reads from the Scriptures and preaches. Have you ever/never heard or read Thomas Cranmer, Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones, Dr. J.Vernon McGee, Pastor C.H. Spurgeon, Dr. John Gill, Arthur W. Pink...? These men were Bible-believers and they were Calvinists!


It wasn't until the 1600's in The Netherlands that a professor Jacob Hermann (Arminius=Latinized name) started teaching some departures from the Reformed teachings. Some of his students and a few fellow teachers wrote them down as the 5 points of Arminius= "The Remonstrance". The State Government and the Church Government held a council and repudiated the Arminians by SCRIPTURE and then published the 5 points of Calvinism or better The Doctrines of Grace. This was known as the Synod of Dort.

Grace= God's unmerited favor. { meaning we did NOT deserve His favor, but our God was gracious to us...Amen!}

Exposition of the Doctrines of Grace:

http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0385.htm {read the words of the Wesleyan Hymns he quotes from.}

Doctrines of Grace do not lead to sin.

http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/1735.htm

http://www.grace.org.uk/faith/calvin.html

http://www.monergism.com/directory/l...ines-of-Grace/

http://www.vor.org/truth/1689/1689bc00.html

http://www.geocites.com/Heartland/4857/confessions.html

John Charles Ryle wrote a great book called "Holiness". I had been taught by arminians and other evangelicals and fundamentalists over the years that: Calvinists believe in that "greasy-grace/anything goes" religion. Imagine my shock and surprise that the very first time I ever went inside a Reformed Baptist Church (1689) they were teaching the Sunday School class right from J.C. Ryle's book "Holiness"..? I started going there as a "Flaming Arminian",{when the arminian/non-calvinist churches in my town punked out and went "seeker-sensitive"} with many objections/questions. Over a couple of years and reading through the Confession (with scripture proofs) and reading/listening to good solid teaching that put the Lord God Almighty in charge rather than people in charge...I now count myself with men that stood against the Pope and indulgences and the re-sacrifice of Jesus at the mass, translated/printed Bibles for the people in their native tongues,started the modern missions movement, and the original Southern Baptist Convention.

You also mentioned "Sinners in the hands of a Angry God" a sermon by a calvinist named Jonathan Edwards of New England. Not sure if you were making fun of that or not, but that sermon was used by The Holy Spirit to start "The Great Awakening" in the 1740's in New England. If you have never read or heard it you can listen to the sermon being read by a speaker on www.sermonaudio.com . Nowadays with seeker-sensitive trash taking over our churches and easy-believism and God is my pal mentality, Edwards sermon would not be tolerated.

"The Lord preserveth all them that love him: but all the wicked will he destroy. Psalm 145:20

"And I saw a great white throne , and Him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them." Rev. 20:11

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