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Old 05-17-2008, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Debau View Post
I agree it is separation from God. It is also a literal fiery hell, where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. The beginning of wisdom is fear of God. Many lost want nothing more than separation from God. A fiery hell gives them something to think about. God is a consuming fire. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

AJ. I think I remember you saying everyone is saved? Forgive me if I'm wrong.
Hi, Debau

Please understand that traditional views on hell are as you speak.

Recall that Jesus also went to hell:
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Would that also mean Jesus was burning also? Of course not!

He must have needed to go to hell for there were souls there needing redemption.

Redemption needed meant that hell was but a holding place, separate from the presence of God where departed souls went for lack of redemption.

Until Jesus came, there was no redemption for them or for the yet living, so Jesus had to consume us all with the fire of cleanliness in His body.


Yes, I agree that respect to wards God is the beginnings of of understanding that leaded to wisdom.

"Many Lost" as you say are already lost to start with, so anybody is considered lost so that the power of God will be manifested.

Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

You and I have been granted the privilege of believing in Jesus, therefore are presently saved by the mere nature of being born again, of His live Spirit via the Holy Ghost.

Therefore, for us, there is no longer condemnation, for that is done away with in Jesus, but for the rest of the world not yet aware of the gift of life, are condemned already.

Ever body is condemned once and in need of redemption, even the caveman who knew not one thing about God, the Indians, the African tribes and anybody else that has not an inkling of who or what God really is.

They all had, have a conscience of a higher spirit which abides in all mankind that leads them to believe in something other than humanity, a spirited entity of which they could only relate to with what knowledge they had.

A tree, an elephant, a mouse or any idol.

One has to understand that God placed us in a environment conducive to sin, rather to the desires of the flesh, after all, we are fleshly beings.

He very well knew this, and made provisions for our rescue.

You will find in Romans 8-20, just that tid-bit of a clue.

Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

And in closing, the answer to your last question is yes, I have discovered via my studies, my understanding enlightened by the Holy Spirit, that God saves all.

It is a hard pill to swallow for many Christians I know, but the mercies of God are greater than any sin we could ever commit.

Take for example, who suppose had the biggest, the worst sins, and in total, the sins of the whole world?

Could that individual ever be forgiven while laying in hell?

Read on:
Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Isa 22:22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.

The doors of hells prison and the gates of heaven are now open and no man can shut them.

So, now, heaven is open to us via the tree of life and hell can hold no more souls, for Jesus took care of that.

So, fear of hell is mankind's way of controlling the masses, but love for God is the way of liberty.

There then is no one believer of any belief we can condemn, for God has subjected us all in hope.

Can it be now understood the words of Christ when He said, love thy neighbor as thy self?

If we are to teach, instruct in the things of God to a lost world, let us announce, proclaim the good news and live it in action whereby the world may see the goodness of God in us.

Peace>>>AJ