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Old 06-22-2009, 10:30 AM
Winman Winman is offline
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You have shown that you do indeed believe the Jews are saved in a different manner from the Gentiles. This is the major difference between us. The article I posted goes into detail on this. And I agree with this writer, that believers in the OT believed what God had revealed to them at that time. No, Abraham did not necessarily understand Jesus Christ, but he did believe God would send a Saviour. This was the gospel revealed at that time. It was not fully revealed, but it was the message of Jesus Christ to come. And Abraham was saved by believeing what was revealed to him at the time. Abraham could not be held responsible for knowing more than was revealed to him at the time.

As far as Revelations 14:6-7, who is this message about other than Jesus Christ?

We understand that Jesus is God from these verses.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

We understand that Jesus is the Judge.

2 Cor 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

We understand that Jesus is the Creator.

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Revelations 14:6-7 is about Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the Gospel.

The author of that article shows many verses to prove that not only Jews in the OT were saved through faith in Christ (as revealed at their time), but also those Jews who will receive Jesus during the tribulation.

And in Matthew 24:13, what does it mean he that endureth unto the end? is this speaking of works? Or God's Word?

Mark 4:13 And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?
14 The sower soweth the word.
15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.
16 And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness;
17 And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.
18 And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word,
19 And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
20 And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.