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Originally Posted by Bro. Parrish
Well please don't bother to answer me on it individually, brother. Let me nip that in the bud. You were asked about it, you stated your position clearly and we can all see where you are coming from. I understand you're still in "first gear," but you're already smoking and leaking fluid from the tranny. As I already stated, I am quite convinced you are wrong on this concept, (as does the majority here) and you can copy, paste and underscore the entire Old Testament if you want, but attempting to change my mind on the ordinance of believer's baptism will only lead to a stronger rebuke and it won't edify anyone here I promise—so I will choose to "opt out" for the sake of unity. I'm sure we will cover each other's backs on many other issues. As I wrote in my last post, I feel we have other battles to fight together as brothers in Christ.  |
Brother, my valve seats are hardened and my tranny is a 727 Turbo from a Dodge policecar. Brother, I'm not cutting and pasting anything or prooftexting no more than the next man, I'm obeying Isaiah 28, I'm comparing precepts of the book of Hebrews with precepts of the OT. I'm going to answer each message addressed to me because I don't do drive-by expositions or comments and then opt out of the discussion. As I promised Brandon, when the whole thread opts out I am opting back to
The Original Manuscript Fraud and we carry on. When the last of you has gone quiet then I go quiet. I am not the Holy Spirit and I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.
That's your job, brother.
You have to break down the middle wall of partition J.R. Graves has put up between the books of Malachi and Matthew yourself, as I did. It's not up to me to prove that the baptism of repentance didn't come down from heaven as something given only to John the Baptist, and has it's roots in Exodus 19:
Ex 19:14 And Moses went down from the mount unto the people, and sanctified the people; and they washed their clothes.
Westcott and Hort along with Origen ended the book of Mark at Mark 16:8. The sobering fact is that the vast majority of fundamentalists read Mark 16 and then end it at verse 16 and there is a mental block about reading verses 17 and 18:
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And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they
cast out devils; they shall
speak with new tongues;
18 They shall
take up serpents; and if they
drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall
lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Then, like Paul, the scales fall from our eyes and we go right into verse 19 and on to the end of the book.
When we follow the Lord in believers baptism, let's see then what
should be in operation for the Church today, in the order that the Lord gave them above:
Cast Out Devils- Acts 16:16 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel
possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:
17 The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.
18 And this did she many days.
But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.
Speaking With New Tongues- Acts 2:7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not
all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And
how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians,
we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
Take Up Serpents-Acts 28:3 And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, t
here came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand.
4 And when the barbarians saw the venomous beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live.
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And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm.
Drink Any Deadly Thing: Revelation 8:10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and
it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood:
and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. Note: The drinking of poisoned water will be fulfilled in the Tribulation, there is no record of this taking place in Acts.
Laying Hands On The Sick And They Recover- Acts 28:8 And it came to pass, that the father of Publius lay
sick of a fever and of a bloody flux: to whom Paul entered in, and prayed, and laid his hands on him, and healed him.
9 So when this was done,
others also, which had diseases in the island, came, and were healed:
Brother, why is it many fundamentalists place all the emphasis on the Commission of Matthew 28 yet ignore the Commission of Mark 16? And why is Jewish water baptism, the first sign of a Levitical consecration, AKA Following The Lord In Believers Baptism, still in operation today yet the signs that followed, as the book of Acts above demonstrate,
aren't?
Brother Parrish, I have friends here, I know some people in this forum better than others, and I will be honest and say I have an Inner Circle of friends here, and you are one of those in it. Someone on this forum gave me a gift that was one of the nicest gifts I have ever gotten in my life and did so anonymously. But I discern you are stopping your participation here, because I think you feel that you, or someone else here, might respond to my unmoving position in a heated manner. I respect that. At the same time I don't think it's fair to start this discussion and then stop it at a point where one side, namely me, has not answered all the messages and responses
to me. First of all, I refuse to let the discussion get heated. I asked George to moderate that, and I'm also under the governing of Brandon as webmaster. Second, the next reply in order was your's, after Chette's, I think it's message 57. I'm going to answer than message in the same manner I have answered all of them in this thread: Firmly and authoritatively, but to Christians I consider brothers.
I hope you accept my messages in the spirit I write them: With authority, without anger and sarcasm, but as a brother.
Grace and peace to you Brother Parrish
Tony