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Old 03-04-2009, 06:16 PM
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OK lets use the Bible for the meaning of "without form and Void" by using Gods inspired and preserved cross reference system found only in the KJV. God uses exact words and phrases in this system of His. so this important to learn it and use it. (using this same system you can find over 150 similarities between Joseph and Jesus as found in Gen 39-50)

Gen1:2 description is found in one other place so let's compare the scriptures

Ge 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Jer 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, [it was] without form, and void; and the heavens, and they [had] no light.

In Jeremiah the context is the destruction of Jerusalem. so the prophet is saying he has seen it's destruction as without form and void. The only place in the Bible to where we can get the meaning of "without form and void" supports the fact that without form a void means destroyed and desolate. also if God is showing us a look back to the Gen 1:2 state. How can Gods heaven be without light when God is light and he permeates his heaven with light. Unless something brought darkness before Gen1:2

Water are so peculiar but you only speak of one verse, verse 9

look at Gen 1:6-8 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament (this is the frozen deep, a container that separates the lower two heavens from THE HEAVEN), and divided the waters which were under the firmament (Where the sun moon and stars will later be) from the waters which were above the firmament (where God lives today or the third heaven): and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. Notice this firmament here is not said to be good that is because anything that separates God from His creation is not good. But because it serves God will for man he will in verse 31 say everything is good. if you make the firmament the Atmosphere for the sun moon and stars are not in our atmosphere. and it changes after Noah's flood

now let the water under the heaven are those waters on the earth itself context tell us so. there are forms of water found on other planets and in other parts of the universe under the firmament but verse 9 is not speaking of those.

The deep is not the oceans (though at time in scriptures it is used in that understanding as well.) But the vastness of the Heaven where the earth is located. it was so filled with darkness and waters that God the creator had to call for light.

I hope that helped you

Last edited by chette777; 03-04-2009 at 06:28 PM.