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Originally Posted by chette777
I speak of the heavens are not clean in his sight.
it is repeated by Bildad in the same book. remember not all that they spoke was lies, a little lie as often masked in truth in order to make it look like the truth. What they spoke that was not truth was that God was punishing Job for hiding sin in his heart, and that God doesn't bring adversity against righteous men but prosperity. that is the error of the prosperity theology today.
Before men Job was righteous. but before God none are righteous.
there are no suspect scripture in the Bible. It is all the word of God. wheter or not the men whom are quoted were liars. Let God be true and EVERY MAN a liar.
I am amazed at the fact that Mature Christians are not willing to make none doctrinal conjecture of Scriputres. But they are willing to make conjuectors when it comes to doctrinal matters.
The word tells us that those things which God has revealed are for us. but then we don't want to talk about some of what God has revealed like the creation of a firmament on which the day God made it he does not claim it was good.
When you see that God places things with in the firmament. this means God is outside the firmament He on one side and we on the inside. Don't take that wrongly as God's essential power is in all things and he can't be separated from his power which lays in the fact that all things are held togetehr by him.
So anything that is created to separate us from God can not be a good thing.
It is good, in the fact that this firmament is a place of confinment for sin, Satan and the devils so they cannot permiate any further corruption in the Abode of God.
It is good in the fact that God can work out a plan of salvation for fallen man. and by his foreknowledge he knew all these things woud come to pass on his creation in the firmament.
It is good for in a appointed time this firmament will be rolled up like a scroll never again to cause separation between God and his creation. when he make all things new. those all things are that which is inside the firmement.
We should never fear to explore the vast riches of God. for we May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; of all that God has done in this firmament. these words Of Scripture are not just limited to the love of Christ as many interpret them. it is to know all that God has done physiclly and spiritually in this firmament.
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You finally get to it, lol. I was wondering when you were going to come on out with why you thought God didn't call the firmament good. I think you are on to something. I do agree with both you and Tim. I think that the firmament is good, but when God looked back upon all creation and called it good it was an over arching sense, as in "this all is good, and will serve my purpose." But that it is also not good because God knew that dispite it being necessary, that it was a boundary. It's interesting that you say that this firmament is meant to keep the those "angels which kept not their first estate" from corrupting heaven, when even the Scriptures call their leader the prince of the power of the air:
Ephesians 2:2-3 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
I think there may be other verses that show Satan as having some sort of residence in the firmament, but I may be mistaken.
Much Love in Christ,
Stephen