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Old 03-19-2008, 10:16 AM
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Acts 2:39 doesn't even refer to all the "elect". See context: Acts 2:5-11. Compare also with Jer 46:27 ("afar off"). This verse is addressed to a nation who was "elect" (Isa 42:1; 45:4; 65:9,22), and this does not even include you, a Gentile.
thats the point i was trying to make , every time scripture says all it doesn't mean all without exception , its sometimes spoken as a certain group , like a conductor says all aboard does he mean all inclusive or those who have a ticket?
if all have a choice to accept Jesus Christ what do you do with this verse
Rom.9:11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

its obvious that God choose one and not the other before they were born , they don't have no free will , because it is not of him that willeth.
all scripture as a whole has to fit , not contradict , so how does this fit with what your saying that God wants all [ all inclusive ]to be saved ?

For every Scripture you produce to prove eternal security, I can find one that counters it.
exactly , thats why we have to see how it fits as a whole, the same words can have different meanings , all can mean all inclusive or all in a certain group , saved might mean eternally or saved from ignorance , fear , troubles etc.

jim

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