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Old 04-06-2009, 02:17 AM
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Hi, Im hoping someone can help me with this question. I have been very encouraged in my own faith by the convictiont that the KJV is truly the inspired word of God. I have been solidified in this conviction by reading the history of the Bible and seeing how God has preserved His word through the ages.

Occasionally though, I come across something that I can't quite answer. Recently, I was researching a little about the Peshitta. I found several sites that are critical of KJV "onlyism" and point out that the Peshitta and the KJV differ in quite a few places. Here is an example of sone site that makes this point.

http://www.kjv-only.com/peshitta.html

I would appreciated any comments that any of you would have on this topic. Thanks.
Brother Joseph, I have just a few comments for you.

I agree with BP, the Syriac version of today and the CORRECT Syriac of years past are two different texts. The present-day Syriac, as with the underlying Greek texts of Westcott and Hort, has been revised to fit into the text of W&H, but first I'd like to address the OT verses displayed on this website.

The first seven OT verses mentioned are copyists attempts to correct alleged "contradictions" found in these verses, the source being the "Septuagint" or "LXX". There is no manuscript evidence for the "LXX and the letter mentioning it as a pre-Christ OT is acknowleged to be a fake. I have the "LXX" in Greek and English in front of me. The Peshitta I have agrees with the LXX in these corrupted verses. Also the verse for Psalms 145. That's eight verses.

In Matthew 27 the correct Peshitta does agree with the website, 3 Syriac manuscripts are cited by Nestle's while 1 Syriac manuscript agrees with the KJV reading. That's nine verses.

The verse in Mark chapter 1 is found in two corrupted Syriac manuscripts but only the margin of the third("h") The KJV reading is found in the body of the text of this manuscript "h". That's ten verses they are correct on.

The verse in Jude is an Alexandrian corruption robbing Christ of His deity by inserting Him after "...God our saviour" in order to set up two distinct entities in the verse. That's eleven verses.

Acts 4:5 in my Peshitta follows the corrupt NIV as does Romans 9:5. That's thirteen verses.

The rest of the verses they mention is where the authors of this website("...with thanks to Rick Norris...")fall flat on their faces. The verse cited in Mark 8 is not in my versions of the NIV or NASB and suggest they followed someone else's error without checking it in this verse, or that the older versions of the NIV and NASB had the reading "Jesus", which would make JESUS THE BLIND MAN.

Mar 8:24 And he looked and said, I see men like trees, walking.(Peshitta)

Mar 8:24 And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.(KJV)

Mar 8:24 He looked up and said, "I see people; they look like trees walking around."(NIV)

Mar 8:24 And he looked up and said, "I see men, for I see them like trees, walking around."

Below is the passages for John 1:18 as they occur in truth:

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.(KJV)

Joh 1:18 No man has ever seen God; but the firstborn of God, who is in the bosom of his Father, he has declared him.(Peshitta)

While only one Syriac manuscript reads "only-begotten god" the extant manuscripts do record a doctrinal error: Jesus Christ was NOT God's "firstborn" but ISRAEL was:

Ex 4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
Ex 4:23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.

Jesus Christ was His second-born, but only begotten Son.

Below we see Jerome in the 4th century AD rejected the corrupt Alexandrian reading and records in Latin, "only begotten Son"("unigenitus Filius").

Joh 1:18 Deum nemo vidit umquam unigenitus Filius qui est in sinu Patris ipse enarravit(Jerome's Vulgate)

John Wycliffe in the 14th century AD translated Jerome's Vulgate into English and preserves the reading, below in it's original spelling:

Joh 1:18 No man sai euer God, no but the `oon bigetun sone, that is in the bosum of the fadir, he hath teld out.(John Wycliffe)

Joh 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known.(NIV)

The NIV has probably one of the most garbled and doctrinally unsound "translations" I've read since Jesus was the blind man in Mark 8. We have a God who NO ONE has ever seen, then another God but He is "one and only" who is at the poor Father's side, who is shaking His head like I am right now. Let's look at the NASB and the Jehovah's Witnesses version(The Nit-Wit Translation) and count the Gods that the Peshitta is supposed to have:

Joh 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.(NASB)

Joh 1:18 No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is in the bosom [position] with the Father is the one that has explained him.(NWT)

One God plus "One" God(NIV) equals TWO Gods, and the authors of this webpage are in full agreement with both the corruption and the heresy. Evidence for this corrupt reading(only one Syriac manuscript listed by Nestle): p66 p75 S B C* L 33 syr(p) cop(north)

Unfortunately for the website authors one of the most contested verses in the Bible is found also in the Syriac:

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.(Peshitta)

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (KJV)

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that testifyNIV)

Same with the John 7:53-8:11:

Joh 7:53 So everyone went to his own house.
Joh 8:1 THEN Jesus went to the mount of Olives.
Joh 8:2 And in the morning he came again to the temple, and all the people were coming to him; and he sat down and taught them.
Joh 8:3 Then the scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who was caught in adultery; and they made her to stand in the midst.
Joh 8:4 They said to him, Teacher, this woman was caught openly in the act of adultery.
Joh 8:5 Now in the law of Moses it is commanded that women such as these should be stoned; but what do you say?
Joh 8:6 They said this to tempt him, that they might have a cause to accuse him. While Jesus was bent down, he was writing on the ground.
Joh 8:7 When they were through questioning him, he straightened himself up and said to them, He who is among you without sin, let him first throw a stone at her.
Joh 8:8 And again as he bent down, he wrote on the ground.
Joh 8:9 And when they heard it, they left one by one, beginning with the elders; and the man woman was left alone in the midst.
Joh 8:10 When Jesus straightened himself up, he said to the woman, Where are they?
Joh 8:11 did no henceforth, do not sin again.(Peshitta)

Joh 7:53 And every man went unto his own house.
Joh 8:1 THEN Jesus went to the mount of Olives.
Joh 8:2 And in the morning he came again to the temple, and all the people were coming to him; and he sat down and taught them.
Joh 8:3 Then the scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who was caught in adultery; and they made her to stand in the midst.
Joh 8:4 They said to him, Teacher, this woman was caught openly in the act of adultery.
Joh 8:5 Now in the law of Moses it is commanded that women such as these should be stoned; but what do you say?
Joh 8:6 They said this to tempt him, that they might have a cause to accuse him. While Jesus was bent down, he was writing on the ground.
Joh 8:7 When they were through questioning him, he straightened himself up and said to them, He who is among you without sin, let him first throw a stone at her.
Joh 8:8 And again as he bent down, he wrote on the ground.
Joh 8:9 And when they heard it, they left one by one, beginning with the elders; and the man woman was left alone in the midst.
Joh 8:10 When Jesus straightened himself up, he said to the woman, Where are they?
Joh 8:11 did no henceforth, do not sin again.(KJV)

Brother Joseph, there are over 36000 verses in the Bible? So this website found 28 differences out of 36000-plus between the Syriac Peshitta and the KJV? That's majoring on the minors. And to add insult to injury I've reduced that number by 15 verses leaving them with an even more paltry 13. Given that 5000 plus Majority text manuscripts are over 95 percent in agreement and that the 13 readings in the Alexandrian manuscripts and versions can be traced to one author...

You see the deceit, unstable, and double-minded duplicity of these people? Is there any reason I should NOT call them The Original Manuscript Frauds?

Grace and peace to you this day and all days.

Tony