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Old 05-15-2009, 12:22 PM
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Default RE; "Sam Gipp's degree"

Aloha brother Steven (POTW),

Please notice what I have gleaned from checking out brother Parish's "Link":

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05-07-2009, 08:26 PM
freesundayschoollessons > Join Date: May 2008 > Location: Davison, Michigan > Posts: 2,676 {!}
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Sam Gipp: Degree confusion
Hey Timotheos: {“Greektim” on this Forum} I have been following your thread at av1611.com and found an interesting confusion on Gipp's site. He claims to have a Ph.D. then he claims to have a Th.D.

Did you notice this? Does he have both or is this a discrepancy?

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“Greektim’s” Response:
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05-07-2009, 10:18 PM
timotheos > Join Date: Dec 2008 > Location: σομαι ο εἰμί > Posts: 783
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I didn't notice the PhD. I just saw the ThD claim. Does anyone here know where he got the degree?

Off topic...that thread was absolutelycrazy. I just had a curious question and got unloaded on for asking.

Off topic #2...I'm wearin' my Wings jersey (end of 2nd period right now). I'm not ashamed either. I dress up for a hockey game
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05-07-2009
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From what I've heard, Sam the Gipper's "degrees" come from Pensacola Bible Institute and Clarksville School of Theology. The former is Dr. Petey Ruckman's church-basement toy "college," and the latter is a defunct degree mill in Tennessee. His academic credentials are, in a word, worthless.
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Ah now, can’t you just “feel” the “love” pouring out of every single word the “dear brother” uttered? What was that about ad homonym attacks?

Sam the Gipper's "degrees" / The former is Dr. Petey Ruckman's church-basement toy "college," / “the latter is a defunct degree mill in Tennessee. His academic credentials are, in a word, worthless.

Ah yes, aren’t these the kind, gentile, sweet, and lovely people? Wouldn’t you just want to be friends with them and fellowship with them? NOT!

WHY isn’t Greektim “offended” by these MALICIOUS REMARKS? Hmmm?

Proverbs 10:18 He that hideth hatred with lying lips, and he that uttereth a slander, is a fool.

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05-08-2009, 07:27 AM
freesundayschoollessons Join Date: May 2008 > Location: Davison, Michigan > Posts: 2,676 {!}
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Certainly, there is much lacking with Gipp's work to be considered him as having reached a terminal degree.
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05-08-2009, 10:30 AM
SAWBONES > Join Date: Jan 2009 > Posts: 129
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I've lately watched sympathetically while friend timotheos has attempted to initiate honest interactions over at the AV1611 BB, but I don't and will not post there. I've been checking that board on and off for something over six months, and it's clearly quite unfriendly to anyone not a "member of the club". There are some occasional issues of interest brought up in posts, nonetheless, but it mostly seems to serve as a bastion of "KJVO political correctness".

If one inquires about or questions anything at all regarding the absolute preeminence of the KJV, and doesn't sycophantically conform immediately to the Party Line, he's branded as a "Bible Corrector" or given some other derogatory label. (They actually have ready-made lists of such!)

Questions about the education or authority of KJVO figureheads like Mr. Gipp or Dr. Ruckman are altogether off-limits.

Apparently nearly everyone there has a "KJV chip on his shoulder", and an unreasonable level of suspicion as well as a pre-prepared animosity ready to be directed toward any new poster until he says any of the magic phrases or passwords (to the effect of "I believe that the KJV is the only real and true Bible"), after which newbies are given a cautious or qualified welcome.

While it's nice for KJVO folks to have their own BB, it's too bad that they feel so defensive about their chosen version of the Bible that their first posture toward newcomers who don't correctly pronounce the shibboleth is one of hostile suspicion and outright rudeness.
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05-08-2009, 12:44 PM
jrw > Join Date: Jun 2006 > Location: TN > Posts: 330
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Wow, Tim... looked at the forums over there out of curiosity. You must have some thick skin. I've never seen so many person attacks based on a simple question...

Kind of amusing that they all accuse you of trying to drum up a person attack on Gipp based on where he got his degree, but have no problem making personal attacks on you based on a question about where he got his degree. Basically, "Don't try to attack him like we are attacking you right now!"
jrw
And here is Timotheus’ (i.e. “Greektim”) response to all of the above:

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05-08-2009, 02:41 PM
timotheos > Join Date: Dec 2008 > Location: σομαι ο εἰμί > Posts: 783
Prov 15:1-2 NASB
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{That's it! But here is what it says in the corrupt NASV}

Proverbs 15:1–2 (NASB)
Proverbs 15:1. A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
2. The tongue of the wise makes knowledge acceptable, But the mouth of fools spout folly.
Now WHO do you suppose - that "kind" & "gentile" (AND NEVER A "HARSH" WORD)) Tim was referring to? Hmmm? I may be dense, but I’m not that dense - not to see that those NASB “verses” were aimed directly at US!

They certainly weren’t aimed at the “Fundamental Pope” (“freesundayschoollessons”); or the “Master of Fundamentalism” (“jrw”); or the “Master of Fundamentalism” (“SAWBONES” – here on the AV1611 Bible Forums); or the “Forum Sage” (“Ransom”)! And if they weren’t in reference to all of those nice, sweet, and polite people, then WHO could young Timmy be possibly be referring to? Hmmm?

He couldn’t possibly be referring to us as “FOOLS” – could he? He couldn’t possibly be saying that when we defend the King James Bible that we are spouting “FOLLY” – could he? Oh no! He must be speaking about SOMEONE ELSE - besides US! Except he is already recorded as saying that he is: “. . . . extremely against the KJV only view.” Then WHY is he here with us “FOOLS” and our “FOLLY”? Hmmm? WHO is the bigger “FOOL”? Hmmm?

We have these wonderful “brethren” who quote C.S. Lewis (instead of the Holy Bible); who denigrate and malign the brethren with wicked and malicious remarks; who write in “tongues” (rather than speak them); who come and “JOIN” our Forum and stir up trouble, confusion, and division, and when they are called down on their clever and deceitful questions, insidious tactics, & disingenuous comments they innocently proclaim: “WHO ME”? “I haven’t done anything”! “I’m the innocent injured party”!

These people are just exactly like the Pharisees of old. [2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.] These people are the “blind leaders of the blind” [Matthew 15:14] and we know where they end up {“into the ditch”!}

WHY? WHY do they come here? We didn’t invite them. We have so little in common with them. WHY do they HATE us so? WHY can’t they stay in there “club” and we’ll stay in ours? WHY are they “lurking” in the background checking up on us? Hmmm? I wouldn’t think of going to their worthless Forum and “lurk” in the background to see what they believe, or what they are doing. I could care less! WHAT is it about them that compels’ them to come here and “spy” on us, and then go back to their “club house” and criticize and malign us? I have never gone to their site and done the same (I wouldn’t think of it – there is no “profit” or “edification” in it – it would be a total waste of my time.) – WHY do they come here and cause trouble?

Since brother Parrish gave us that “Link” I did a cursory search on the “Threads” dealing with the King James Bible issue. Just in case you “think” I have overstated something here, how about this list of “THREADS” from the FFF site:

Ruckmormon: Just for you Luke
freesundayschoollessons
Today 07:57 AM
by freesundayschoollessons

Any Bible Believers left here? (1 2 3 ... Last Page)
ChaplainPaul
Today 07:42 AM
by robycop3

The KJVO myth is from a CULT OFFICIAL'S book! (1 2 3 ... Last Page)
robycop3
Yesterday 06:57 PM
by robycop3

Kjvo Has No Scriptural Support! (1 2 3 ... Last Page)
robycop3
Yesterday 06:53 PM
by robycop3

Why KJVOs should not be depended on for vocabulary
freesundayschoollessons
Yesterday 11:35 AM
by freesundayschoollessons

Conspiracy theories!!!
freesundayschoollessons
Yesterday 10:01 AM
by freesundayschoollessons

You had a good run solabiblia! (1 2 3)
freesundayschoollessons
05-13-2009 04:40 PM
by Jackieboy
05-12-2009 09:03 PM
by WhyEvenBother

The AV1611 bears the print of Anglicanism (1 2)
likeuntohim
05-12-2009 02:32 PM
by freesundayschoollessons

K J V O- a damnable heresy! Or no? (1 2 3 ... Last Page)
Walkin' with Jesus
05-11-2009 08:29 AM
by SAWBONES

The Hermeneutic of the KJVO (1 2 3)
freesundayschoollessons
05-09-2009 04:32 PM
by freesundayschoollessons

Poll: Which Bible Do You Read (1 2 3 ... Last Page)
ILoveTheLord
05-09-2009 03:33 PM
by SAWBONES

Sam Gipp: Degree confusion (1 2)
freesundayschoollessons
05-08-2009 07:54 PM
by freesundayschoollessons

KJV settled in heaven... (1 2 3)
timotheos

Ed's Best KJV (1 2 3 ... Last Page)
1611ED
05-06-2009 10:29 PM
by 1611ED

Why such disdain for the originals? (1 2 3 ... Last Page)
freesundayschoollessons
05-01-2009 10:32 AM
by SAWBONES

English Is BETTER Than The Greek 4 (1 2 3 ... Last Page)
Jim Schoolfield
04-29-2009 10:31 AM
by Herb Evans

Which Bibles do not?
The Glory Land
04-24-2009 07:28 AM
by SAWBONES

Which KJV is inerrant?? (1 2 3 ... Last Page)
Stephen
04-21-2009 06:16 PM
by 1611ED

K J V O (1 2 3 ... Last Page)
The Glory Land
04-17-2009 09:38 AM
by The Glory Land

Just a thought (1 2 3 ... Last Page)
Just_A_Thought
04-15-2009 11:16 PM
by SAWBONES

This guy would make a great KJVO.
BuddingTheologian
04-12-2009 05:23 PM
by SAWBONES

Matthew 26:41 in the King James Version (1 2 3 ... Last Page)
LarryN
04-11-2009 01:48 PM
by Walkin' with Jesus

Origenal Sin: The Alexandrian "corruption" revisited (1 2 3 ... Last Page)
freesundayschoollessons
04-07-2009 01:36 PM
by freesundayschoollessons
To My KJVO Friends... (1 2 3)

A video to bring peace between the KJVOs and Modern Version advocates
freesundayschoollessons
03-30-2009 07:07 PM
by timotheos

Is the Anglican Version (AV) Translated from the Textus Receptus (TR)? (1 2 3 ... Last Page)
Dr. Bob Griffin
03-30-2009 08:10 AM
by Walkin' with Jesus

Does the Bible misquote Jesus?
BuddingTheologian
03-28-2009 10:20 PM
by BuddingTheologian

Earliest Preserved Greek mss.... (1 2)
BuddingTheologian
03-27-2009 08:26 PM
by freesundayschoollessons

Does Riplinger have a counterpart? (1 2 3 ... Last Page)
Panthera
03-27-2009 11:58 AM
by robycop3

Johannine pericope of the adulteress 7:53-8:11 (1 2 3 ... Last Page)
timotheos
03-19-2009 01:12 PM
by Brother Tim

Do modern versions contain the very words of God? (1 2 3 ... Last Page)
William S. Correa
03-19-2009 10:37 AM
by Walkin' with Jesus

if you know Latin or Greek sign here
petrvs
03-15-2009 08:35 PM
by timotheos

Latin,Greek Bibles are grammatically sluperior than English. (1 2 3 ... Last Page)
petrvs
03-14-2009 07:57 AM
by Ransom


They have 41 pages (20 Threads X 41 Pages = approximately 821 “Threads”) most of which are critical of either the King James Bible or of King James Bible defenders!

Do you recognize any names from the above partial list? timotheos (our very own “Greektim”); robycop3 (Banned from the AV1611 Bible Forums); Just_A_Thought (Banned from the AV1611 Bible Forums); freesundayschoollessons (Banned from the AV1611 Bible Forums – TWICE! The "second time" he SNEAKED in under FALSE CIRCUMSTANCES: in plain ("harsh") language - HE LIED!); solabiblia (Banned from the AV1611 Bible Forums); SAWBONES (still “lurking” in the shadows); Mitex (?) if I didn't know better I would almost believe there is a "conspiracy" over there to UNDERMINE our Forum, but that's not possible with such "nice" people - is it?

It's obvious that all those genuine Bible believers that have been on the FFF have not made even the slightest DENT on the unbelieving and faithless "position" that many (if not most) of the "Christians" there hold concerning the King James Bible!

My question is simply: WHY BOTHER? WHY bother debating and arguing with these people? It is a hopeless exercise in FUTILITY! Poor brother Tim, and chaplain Paul, and Herb Evans (and whoever else was a real Bible believer on that Forum); they must have felt like missionaries caught at a Cannibals conference!

I refuse to engage "Greektim" anymore. I will not engage him, debate with him, or have a "meaningful discussion" with him. This young man has proven to be dishonest, disingenuous, and full of guile (I don't care how "sweet" he may "appear" - the man is a "wolf in sheep's clothing" and I am done with him.)

The sooner that some other people on this Forum begin to understand the full impact and meaning of: "A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump." [1 Corinthians 5:6 & Galatians 5:9]; the sooner "Greektim" will get the hint and leave and rejoin all of his sweet and lovely "buddies" over there at FFF (Birds of a feather flock together) the sooner we will have some peace (until the next Bible corrector or heretick shows up!). They accuse of as being members of a "club", and in a sense they are right. Most of us here of of the "same mind" when it comes to the issue of the King James Bible being our FINAL AUTHORITY in all matters of faith and practice.

But what is true of us is also true of them. Most of them belong to another "club" (admittedly a much bigger "club"); and they are all of the same mind, in that they refuse to recognize ANY BOOK, or ANY "bible"; or ANY set of manuscripts as being THE perfect, Holy, inspired, and infallible (without error) word of God, and consequently they have NO FINAL AUTHORITY in all matters of faith and practice other than their own puny minds!

We are in a war brothers (and sisters), and the sooner we all realize that the enemy is NOT only outside of our ranks, but that they are also within our ranks, the sooner we will be able do the work of God without being hindered by Bible correctors; Bible deniers; false brethren; wolves in sheep clothing; and hereticks.

I have made it a practice to have nothing to do with these kind of people. After 50 years I have learned (after dealing with literally dozens of "Greektim's", "solabiblia's", "freesundayschoollessons", etc.) that it is "FRUITLESS"! [Proverbs 17:10 A reproof entereth more into a wise man than an hundred stripes into a fool.] I have never convinced a single one of these skeptics to believe in the King James Bible. Did you get that? After 50 years - I have NEVER convinced a single Bible "skeptic" to my point of view through "meaningful dialogue"!

Proverbs 26:12 Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.

Last edited by George; 05-15-2009 at 12:52 PM.